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#10309 - 05/16/07 08:54 PM Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
homer79 Offline
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Registered: 03/29/07
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Loc: Clark county Illinois
Copper or brass trap tags. What are the pro's and con's of the two. Is there a personal preference? What are some of the experences with useing the two?

(Edit: Title edited to reflect subject. -- Hal)

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#10310 - 05/16/07 11:51 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
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Brass will stand-up better to cleaning agents such as lye over time. Copper oxidizes to a darker color. Copper is easier to roll, and this is the way I attach most of my tags.
It's personal preference.
Later,
45/70,
RKBA !!!

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#10311 - 05/17/07 12:00 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
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I use copper. Both brass and copper are impervious to lye and other cleaning agents. I do like the fact that copper turns dark over time -- I don't like shiny tags. When I get a new batch of tags, I hang them outdoors immediately so they will dull and darken.

The question of copper being susceptible to cleaning agents came up a while ago. I know for a fact that lye does not attack copper. Has anybody ever experienced disintegration of a copper trap tag, through any means? I've been using copper tags for 40 years, and never had a problem with any of them.

Again, I'd like to know of anybody has witnessed disintegration of a copper tag -- not aluminum, not zinc -- copper.

quest -- Hal
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#10312 - 05/17/07 06:17 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
henry fitzgerald Offline
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Registered: 01/25/06
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Hal, the only disintegation of copper tags I ever saw was when a coon chewed on the chain and tag. I like to wrap the tags tight around the chain link as I think this helps prevent loss or excessive damage from chewing.

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#10313 - 05/17/07 06:30 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
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Yes, I get the occassional chewed tag too. Is brass less prone to this?

quest -- Hal
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#10314 - 05/18/07 01:50 AM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
Newt Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
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Loc: Port Republic,South Jersey & C...
IF this helps ?
BELOW THE WATER LINE
A boat in salt water will not last long at all, if it is built useing Brass screws.
Copper or bronze on the other hand will last indefently .IF zinks are used proply to counter act Electrolysis.
Even Galvanized iron nails or screws will out last brass nails or screws.Galvanized fastners are good for at last 20 years.
you MIGHT get 5 years out of brass

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#10315 - 05/18/07 01:00 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
henry fitzgerald Offline
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Registered: 01/25/06
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Loc: Quakertown, Pa.
Hal: I agree that copper tags by far are the best to use. Some of my muskrat traps have the same tag from 40 years ago. Being a machinist I would say you could use brass but the thickness will make the difference. If too thick they won't wrap around chain. If too thin, they may not hold up well.

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#10316 - 05/18/07 03:09 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
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Hold on. I didn't say copper was "by far" the best to use. I've never really heard anybody complain about brass trap tags. And I think a lot of this boils down to personal preference, like Bill said.

I'm just trying to sort out whether copper is any less durable than brass, because I've heard that mentioned a couple of times. I believe that's myth, and that's why I conducted an experiment with a copper tag and a concentrated soultion of lye a few months ago. The lye had no effect on th tag. So it there something else that makes one of these items really more durable than the other?

smile -- Hal
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#10317 - 05/19/07 08:22 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
trapn1 Offline
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Registered: 08/18/04
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Loc: Virginia
After reading this post I put a copper tag in a 50/50 mix of water and muriatic acid for 24 hrs no damage in fact it didn't even darken it. I agree that it is probably a myth that the cleaning agents will harm copper tags. Trapn1

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#10318 - 05/20/07 12:14 PM Re: Using Copper or Brass Trap Tags?
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This may be taking things to the extreme, but I'll give observations about the copper and brass junk I've dug with my metal detector. It seems to me, something in our soil, the ph or minerals?, does cause both to deteriorate, but some of this stuff had been buried 100 years, and it seems to vary in different places. Some of the pennies I've dug are trash, while others nearly the same age, may be in good condition. I have a brass tag dated 1904 (not sure what it was), that was "readable" when it came from the ground. You older guys will remember the paper-hulled shotgun shells, I've dug gobs of them, the brass base will usually crumble in my fingers. Yet I've dug 25-20, 30-40 Krag, etc., rifle brass, that looks good enough to reload. I really believe it comes down to the thickness of the CU or brass. The sheets of metal tags are cut from are rolled, almost like putting a penny on the railroad track, the thinner it is, the more fragile it becomes. The brass trap tags I have are a lot thicker than my copper tags, without putting a micrometer on the them, not sure how much, but you can tell a big difference side by side. The brass ones will take more abuse, like chewing, seems to me. I'd say brass has a higher tensile strength? smile

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