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#10536 - 03/30/06 11:54 AM 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
WI_Archer Offline
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Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 82
Loc: WI
I am looking into picking up a few more 330s for next season. What are your favorite brands of these traps and why? Also do you prefer the magnum style or the regular and do you really notice a difference? I know a lot of this is preference, but I am looking for a good trap that will last.

(Edit: Title edited to refelct topic shift - Hal)

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#10537 - 03/30/06 02:29 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Newt Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
Posts: 508
Loc: Port Republic,South Jersey & C...
Good traps make you money.
My Belisle ave more than payed for them selfs, in just od ball catches.
Last year I rember 4 beaver cought by the foot,1 beaver by the tail and a otter by the tail.
This past season I cought a otter by the tail,in a 280. It so happened to be the last trap on the last day of the season,to be picked up.He was on dry land with trees about so he had something to get a hold of to TRY to power out.He weighed in at 29# and 46 1/2" on the board. (not including the tail,of course) If the prices on otter hold like in the January sale at NAFA he should bring close to $300.00 If not higher.

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#10538 - 03/30/06 02:35 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
Good lord, Newt. It sounds like you need to adjust your traps! If you're catching animals by the tail, it sounds like they are almost getting through your traps. How many animals are you missing?

Me, I don't have any preference for magum style 330's. But I do in 280's and 220's, especially for otter.

I've caught several beaver by the front foot in Magum 280's as they tried to climb over the trap.

smile -- Hal
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#10539 - 03/30/06 05:11 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Talachulitna Jim Offline
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Registered: 12/09/00
Posts: 317
Loc: Anchorage, AK
Agree with Newt -- I like Belisle.

Jim

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#10540 - 03/30/06 07:47 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
RiverOtter Offline
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Registered: 02/27/05
Posts: 646
Loc: Monashee Mtns, British Columbi...
Belisle for me as well.

The design of the "Super X" series is such that they are a Magnum trap without the need of a breaker bar, which I don't like because they add weight to the trap(which passes onto my load to carry) not to mention more weight for the springs to move when they fire. The factory stiff safeties are also a pleasant addition and I can not understand why the other manufacturers have not woke up yet with their fall off safeties.

If that isn't enough, they are even cheaper than the LDL's, Sauvageau and Victor where I order from.

RO smile

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#10541 - 03/31/06 07:27 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
bobkat Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 113
Loc: Ruckersville, Va
Belisle for sure. Neck caught a 30lb otter in a 220 and he did not even move the trap in flowing water.

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#10542 - 03/31/06 08:13 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Newt Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
Posts: 508
Loc: Port Republic,South Jersey & C...
Hal,Anybody th ever traped with me will tell you. My traps ARE tuned and in the best condision posable,its my living not my hobby.
These odd ball catches are a result of, raising water (Beaver by the foot)and animals backing in to the traps. ( a otter backing up into his toilit) Or a beaver turning on the dam cross over, to get a stick or something (beaver by the tail).
OH, I forgot last year,not last season. I cought a bobcat by the back leg, on a beaver dan in a 330.Guess he was walking across the trap, useing it as a bridge to cross the open water in the dam brake.
See I'm just catch'n and hold'n everything. That other wise would have been let go. A other trapper useing inferior traps, would be there stearing at a empty trap. Saying to his self "Self- A stick or flooting leaf must have sprong my trap". I also catch lots of muskrats and mink in my 280's and 330's too.

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#10543 - 03/31/06 08:56 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
smile Okay.

smile -- Hal
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#10544 - 04/01/06 07:01 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Buzzard.. Offline
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Registered: 02/26/03
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Loc: North Carolina
I will stick with my dukes

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#10545 - 04/01/06 08:20 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Bogmaster Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
Posts: 240
Loc: Lakeland,Mn.
Newton,while Belisles may be the cats meow,it is the closed jaw (magnum)part of the scenario,that causes, or should I say allows, tail and feet catches.Use some of the other 330 magnums,and you will also find you make these same catches.
Magnum-very little gap between jaws, when trap is fired.
Regular jawed 330-gap may be a couple of inches when trap is fired.
Tom Olson

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#10546 - 04/02/06 12:05 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
45/70 Offline
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Registered: 04/10/01
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Loc: South Georgia, usA
Regardless of trap brand, in the past 41 years, I have seen where too many otter have been hip caught, and pulled their way thru and out of the trap. Most of these happened in the old-style square-corner traps that were available in the late 60's thru the late 70's.

When the magnum design traps came out I was sold on them, and still am. While I use a lot of 280's, and like them, I am not adverse to using 330 mags for otter. With the triggers worked over, and properly set, they will get the job done, sometimes two and three at the time. I have never lost a otter out of a magnum-style body gripper.

I acquired some Belisles this past season, not a lot, but enough to give them a fair try, and I realy like them.

Except for my older traps, it's Magnums all the way. Eventyally, when I have acquired enough magnums in various sizes, I will probably put the old timers in some fund raising auctions.

Adios,
45/70,
RKBA !!!

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#10547 - 04/02/06 04:38 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Newt Offline
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Posts: 508
Loc: Port Republic,South Jersey & C...
I DO under stand the turm Magnum. But I like the Belisle dog and saftys.
I also have some LDL Sauvageau 11"x12" with breaker bars.They have their good points. Like the dog can hit the animal because of the breaker bar. Their size fill up some of the wider sets where the 330 is just to small.Or to much is involoved in blocking down the set. When you can just drop in the Sauvageau.

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#10548 - 04/02/06 04:59 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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I have LDL 280's. The dog and trigger of the LDL being on the non-contact jaw is a nice touch, but not enough to make me pay extra. I am replacing them with BMI 280 magnums.

That is a HARD hitting trap.

But I'll note here that I replace the trigger wires on both of those traps. The stock wires aren't long enough.

I bought myself a roll of stainless steel wire to replace triggers with. Should be the last trigger I ever have to put on.

smile -- Hal
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#10549 - 04/02/06 05:17 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
45/70 Offline
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Registered: 04/10/01
Posts: 832
Loc: South Georgia, usA
What gauge of ss wire?
Thanks,
Bill,
RKBA !!!

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#10550 - 04/03/06 09:09 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
.105 diameter, which makes it about 12 gauge.

smile -- Hal
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#10551 - 04/03/06 10:43 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Newt Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
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In my salt and backish water. Triggers on ANY brand dont stand up. I may get 2 years out od stock triggers.
Go to a weilding supply. They sell brass brazing wire 36" long,its stiff,3/32" works on the big traps.
I like the way it tarnishes. Stainless will always stays bright and wont take die or dip.

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#10552 - 04/03/06 12:20 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
I am familiar with those welding rods. That brass (actually bronze) is brittle. It may hold up longer than steel in brackish water, but does it offer any exended life over steel in freshwater usage? I have my doubts. The brass will work harden if it is bent very many times. If you don't think so, take one of those brazing rods, bend it back and forth a few times, and see what happens. smile

Stainless will take petroleum based dips just fine.

smile -- Hal
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#10553 - 04/04/06 03:05 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Newt Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
Posts: 508
Loc: Port Republic,South Jersey & C...
No Hal, I buy Brass. Yes you can buy bronze. But as you said .Bronze is brittle.
Water or petroleum .It wont stick very well.Like on steel that has'nt been rusted first.Thats why we like a litte coat of rust on traps befor dipping.

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#10554 - 04/04/06 03:20 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Okay, genunine brass then. How long does a brass trigger last? Don't they break eventually? And, what is the cost.

(P.S. If you scar up the SS with a emory cloth, the dip sticks better. Frankly, I don't find the shiny triggers to be much of a problem.)

smile -- Hal
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#10555 - 04/04/06 06:11 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Newt Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
Posts: 508
Loc: Port Republic,South Jersey & C...
Dont know for sure.They'r hold'n up good tho.

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#10556 - 04/05/06 01:07 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
stevep Offline
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Registered: 09/12/04
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Hal what type stores do you find a roll of stainless steel wire at?

Thanks

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#10557 - 04/05/06 07:58 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
You don't. I had to order it.

smile -- Hal
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#10558 - 04/06/06 11:23 AM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Casey Offline
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Registered: 12/30/05
Posts: 35
Loc: Powhatan,Ar
Where did you order it from?
How long do you make the trigger wires?

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#10559 - 04/06/06 12:13 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
I got it from McMaster Carr . Be advised it is rather expensive. The cheapest I could find was type 302/304 and it's about 20 cents a foot.

On my #330 and #280 traps, I make a trigger wire long enough that it come about 1 inch from the bottom jaw when the trigger is hanging straight down.

smile -- Hal
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#10560 - 04/06/06 12:39 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Casey Offline
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Registered: 12/30/05
Posts: 35
Loc: Powhatan,Ar
Hal, do you use the Dobbins trigger modification on your 220s and 280s or just the 330s?

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#10561 - 04/06/06 02:35 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires
Hal Offline
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Both, if necessary. However, most 280s don't need it, and 220 don't need it at all. (But please, let's not take this thread any farther off course.)

smile -- Hal
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#25380 - 10/17/17 12:27 PM Re: 330 magnum or not? & Bodygrip Trigger Wires [Re: WI_Archer]
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Dated for search.

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