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#16035 - 12/27/09 11:47 AM Off Location?
Orvis_Battenkill Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 61
Loc: Pa
I was just wondering if anyone could give me some advice. I am new to trapping been at it for about a month getting out is great and i have put some miles on. I am enjoying learning and i am an addict already. I just cant seem to catch a target animal i had a coyote pull out my first week in a super location big clearcut now the spot went dead, what was tons of coyote tracks and sightings in deer season has gone dead.

I decided to go for some coon a little simpler I covered about 2 miles of stream yesterday i found one set of coon tracks coming out of a dead tree going to the stream in a marsh i put two pocket sets in. Is it possible that i just dont have the location right? I have no farms but do have some road side grown up fields. What would be good locations for coon in an enviroment with no agriculture. We got a 25 degree warm up yesterday and i figured the coons would put some tracks in the snow but i came up empty this morning. And why has the 200 acre clear cut gone dead so soon? I have been reading and watching videos but none of the locations described in both look like any of the areas i am able to trap.

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#16036 - 12/28/09 07:05 PM Re: Off Location?
Dktfireman Offline
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Registered: 07/13/05
Posts: 338
Loc: New Hampshire
Are you trapping a woods road thru the clear cut or just where you saw tracks in the cut over area? If I walked a creek for 2 miles and only saw one set of coon tracks I wouldn't even set a trap unless that was the only spot I had to trap and it was easy to get to. I would leave it as seed stock for couple of years from now.
Dan smile

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#16037 - 12/28/09 11:19 PM Re: Off Location?
Orvis_Battenkill Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 61
Loc: Pa
I am trapping the roads in the clear cut. I just have noticed the sign has disapeared. How much do bears change the way canines travel? I have tracked a few bears on the network of roads in the clearcut in the past week.I would think this cut off would have some fox as well i saw one set of tracks about two weeks ago. I am going to check out some more sections of stream this week to see what i can come up with. Will cold weather and snow keep coons from moving or do they just travel alot less? What food source are they on this time of year? I have no crops around my house. I am in a wooded area good amount of black and red oak as well a few streams with great trout fishing I see a good many coons spotting in early archery season i checked these spots no sign though.

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#16038 - 12/29/09 10:06 AM Re: Off Location?
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 10100
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
When you originally posted on these boards, I replied....

"I'm not familiar with your area. I know in my back yard, our large expanses of timber hold a paucity of furbearing critters. In other words, even though you have a large tract to trap, the critters may be few and far between."

Now I'll add to that.

"And why has the 200 acre clear cut gone dead so soon?"

In the grand scheme of things, 200 acres doesn't amount to squat. 200 acres will support a very, very limited number of furbearers. One coyote couldn't make it on 200 acres. As mentioned above, if all your scouting only turned up one set of coon tracks, then you probably don't have many coons to catch.

I suspect that as the winter has progressed, your timberland trapping ground has become less and less viable as a food resource for the furbearers.

Keep scouting around. You may have to find some different territory.

Good luck.

Hal
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#16039 - 12/29/09 11:15 AM Re: Off Location?
Ric Offline


Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3689
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
I've trapped heavily forested areas in Michigan's U.P. and Pennsylvania. One thing they both had in common are low furbearer densities. Mid winter these areas are like deserts,small areas of suitable habitat widely scattered. Get some maps out and do a little homework. I take it your an avid fisherman,substitute the reasons why you skip over one section of water to concentrate on another to your trapping endeavor.Fish or fur the reason one section of habitat holds game and another doesn't will be similar.

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#16040 - 12/29/09 04:17 PM Re: Off Location?
Orvis_Battenkill Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 61
Loc: Pa
Thanks Hal and Ric i appreciate the advice and i wish more people would be as blunt as the two of you are it saves alot of time sorting through fact and fiction on here. You guys do a great job. I have topo maps of all the lands i have permission to be on i got them for archery hunting to keep track of deer movement and stand locations to keep track. I will go through them an circle locations that are most likely to hold fur. I might try baiting a little with my trail cam just to see what is around i hear of alot of people who do this.

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#16041 - 12/29/09 06:32 PM Re: Off Location?
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Registered: 07/22/03
Posts: 2148
Loc: Qc.
We live in two very different worlds. However, winter is winter. I'd be doing some walking in the thick stuff. That's where the food is this time of year.

Once you find the food it's easier to find the fur. smile

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#16042 - 12/30/09 03:36 PM Re: Off Location?
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Registered: 09/11/08
Posts: 132
Loc: Missouri
activity on my trapline greatly changes from area to area during this time of year. Farm land away from the river does pretty good until the freeze up. As long as the ditches, ponds, and small branches keep flowing you can catch a lot of furbearers. Once these water sources freeze, around here you need to be on the larger Missouri River which doesnt freeze. A lot of game such as deer will move to the river bottom and coyotes, will follow. Cats really do well along the brushy river system as well.
Raccoon really move well during a warm snap such as a 50 degree night and You can get back on these animals during this time during upland trapping using bait boxes, blind trails and dog proof traps.
As Hal said, 200 acres isnt much. Keep working on getting permission in different areas.

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#16043 - 01/02/10 08:12 PM Re: Off Location?
Orvis_Battenkill Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 61
Loc: Pa
I did get permission from a farm i am allowed to archery hunt a few miles down the road ,not a great big place but i saw a good many foxes there spotting and coons n early fall. A neighbor of the landowner trapped 9 coyotes and about 2 dozen coons last season and he never mentioned about fox but the guy is not trapping this year i dont know why though. I took a walk around the farm to look around. I found no fox, coyote, or coon tracks there it did snow about an inch the night before but being new i didnt set any traps yet because i dont know where the fur travels yet. I went to my local trapping supplier and he told me " dont worry about if the sign is there right now just set in good locations wait watch and learn " Is this good advice for a new guy? i mean i have a good idea of what a possible good location looks like but should i be looking for tracks and sign before i ever set?

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#16044 - 01/03/10 06:43 AM Re: Off Location?
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Registered: 07/22/03
Posts: 2148
Loc: Qc.
Setting on sign is good. Setting on good location is also good.

One inch of snow and one night is not a long time for sign to show.

Sounds like you received good advice. traps in the truck never catch anything.

Best of luck. Keep us posted. Remember to be patient. smile

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#16045 - 01/03/10 10:00 AM Re: Off Location?
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 10100
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
As Musher said, one snow and one night don't leave much time to generate sign. And I'll agree that traps in the back of the truck don't catch anything but traps set on poor locations don't catch anything either and it takes a lot of muss and fuss to get those traps set, only to look empty traps. In this case, empty traps in the back of the truck are easier to look at than empty traps set on poor location, especially now that snow and freezing weather is extant.

The problem here is that you don't quite know how to identify good location yet. It in fact takes a few years of trapping, and a few years of trial and error to begin to understand that. So for somebody to just tell you to set in good locations, while good advice, is meaningless if you don't know where those locations are.

I would advise you to wait a few days, if possible, and check the snow again. By that time, the critters will have moved around a little bit. Then they will tell you where the good locations are.

Hal
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#16046 - 01/04/10 09:17 PM Re: Off Location?
Orvis_Battenkill Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 61
Loc: Pa
I am sure that i havent figured out how to pick a great location yet and that is why i didn't know how to take his advice how am i supposed to know exactly where to set. I read constanly and ask people what they saw around here and where if they could show me where and i read archives for pointers i am going off of that information but i hope to figure it out someday i want nothing more that to become a decent trapper someday. My biggest issue right now is it will not quit snowing everyday 1-3 inches and temps in the teens. I for some reason as hard as it is right now i should be getting diasapointed but i just get more interested everyday i cant let traps sit in the bucket when i have a spare moment i get an urge to go set them and even if i am not on location right now and catching i am learning how to bed traps cover them how to use all my tools properly how to maintain my traps and manage time and i am learning where they dont travel.

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#16047 - 01/05/10 09:29 AM Re: Off Location?
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 10100
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
With all that snow, it's time to break out the snares. (Your state calls them cable-restraints just to confuse you, but they are snares nonetheless.) When you find a definitive trail, you can (conforming to regulations) place a snare above it. Foot traps are hard to keep working when it is snowing day after day.

Hal
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#16048 - 01/05/10 09:17 PM Re: Off Location?
Orvis_Battenkill Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 61
Loc: Pa
Thanks Hal i do plan to take the cable restraint course here in pa i may as well give that a try to i am sure i will catch something on footholds eventualy. May as well start studying how to set snares now and how to use them to give myself an edge before i take a course.

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#16049 - 01/06/10 06:57 AM Re: Off Location?
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Registered: 06/11/06
Posts: 2550
Loc: WV
A while back we had a discussion about "Google Earth", not sure if it's in the archives or not?
Search: Google earth, download the free version. Once it's loaded, you'll be able to look over your properties, through the eyes of a satelite. For most folks it's easier to keep your bearings with an aerial photo than it is with a topo map. Once you pick out a few good locations on the computer, then you'll need to go look at them in person. It will help you pick out locations, and save a lot of foot work. smile

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#16050 - 01/06/10 08:07 AM Re: Off Location?
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Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3689
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
http://www.bing.com/maps/

I use this site as photo source also

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#16051 - 01/06/10 08:08 AM Re: Off Location?
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 10100
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
frown I'm sorry, I forgot you have to take a special course to use snares in Pennsylvania.

The Google Earth is a good suggestion for any trapper. Thanks Tim.

Hal
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#16052 - 01/06/10 05:32 PM Re: Off Location?
Orvis_Battenkill Offline
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Registered: 12/16/09
Posts: 61
Loc: Pa
I have google earth and use it religously no matter what i am hunting i think if more people would use it they would know more about how to read land and they wouldn't go in blind to places. I like the foot work alot of the time though. Talked to a guy over the hil tonight didn't know he used to be a realy good trapper before he hurt his back talked a good while learned some new things and he said when the weather broke he would help me out some he believes the fox population around here is not as high as before but is still a trappable number. Kinda funny he told me about a spot he caught alot of fox on before he hung it up for a few years and i have two sets in the exact spot. So i do have one location i might have gotten right. Feel bad i have permission to be there he no longer does. Maybe he can teach me some things and get me up and going.

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#27348 - 01/08/20 10:18 AM Re: Off Location? [Re: Orvis_Battenkill]
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Posts: 1486
Dated for search.

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