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#17948 - 09/19/05 11:16 PM Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
trap jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
The local fur dealer in my area stated that you should never boil traps for more than 10-15 minutes because he has seen on countless occassions that it weakens the temper of the steel. I've never had this problem. Has anyone had a problem with this?

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#17949 - 09/20/05 07:12 AM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
No. You fur dealer is misguided.

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#17950 - 09/20/05 08:34 AM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Ric Offline


Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3650
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
The internet is a wonderful thing for some applications.We have gone through this "boiling water can damage trap springs" a couple times.A quick search of spring steel working properties came up with much more information than I will ever need to know on the subject.Needless to say 212 degrees F is not even close to where the properties of the steel will be affected.And for and added bonus 212 degrees is seldom reached with the way we do things

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#17951 - 09/20/05 03:35 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Dktfireman Offline
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Registered: 07/13/05
Posts: 338
Loc: New Hampshire
Ric, I searched and couldn't find the temp that spring steel is effected. Do you know? I was curious about having some of my traps powder coated white for snow trapping. Maybe this is the wrong place to ask? :-)

(Edit..I don't mind the question but if you or anyone for that matter has an off topic question just E-Mail the person you want to talk to..Ric)

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#17952 - 09/30/05 03:57 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
RayA Offline
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Registered: 04/16/01
Posts: 43
Loc: Lee's Summit Mo
Hi ya'll
a buddy does heat treating for a liveing he told me to boil or simmer my traps and not to worry about it. he says unless i get them to 500 degrees or there bouts no damage would happen water boils long before 500 degrees. RayA

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#17953 - 10/03/05 12:25 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hale87 Offline
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Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 22
Loc: pa
Sorry, but I gotta laugh at Hal's reply. I'm one of those mis-guided peolple that's actually boilded their traps too long. It was probably ten years ago but I turned 12 1.5 victors in to junk. Don't know why but it happened. I was boiling them in walnut hauls and I can tell you they came out different than when they went it. It didn't just effect the springs either. I ended up tossing those traps. Believe what you want and I'll do the same. It's funny how many times over the years I've seen one of these post. Maybe it was a bad run of steel from victoe but I know what happened.

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#17954 - 10/03/05 12:56 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hal Offline
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Quote: "it didn't just effect the springs either."

I'm curious about this whole thing, and especially that phrase. Can you clarify that? And exactly how long did you boil these traps?

frown -- Hal
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#17955 - 10/03/05 02:28 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hale87 Offline
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Registered: 12/16/04
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Loc: pa
Hal, I don't know what went wrong but it changed the temper on the entire trap. Especially the springs and spring levers. If I would have known then,,,, that ten years later we'd have the message boards I would have saved them. I see this same question ask all the time and each time there's an enfatic no, "you can't harm a trap by boiling" I just grin. I really can't remember how long I boiled them though. I have stopped boiling for an excessive period of time. Now I don't boil for more than 10-15 minutes since and have never had a problem. Maybe they were from the same run of traps and were defective? I don't know but I know it did happen.

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#17956 - 10/03/05 03:01 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Ric Offline


Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3650
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
Hale I'm curious also,what happened to them?

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#17957 - 10/03/05 03:56 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hal Offline
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
There is no temper in the spring levers.

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#17958 - 10/03/05 07:29 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
coon87 Offline
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Registered: 10/02/05
Posts: 10
Loc: pa
Do you wax your rebar stakes????

(edit..Please start a new thread for a new question..Ric)

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#17959 - 10/03/05 11:48 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
crossfox21 Offline
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Registered: 10/12/03
Posts: 43
Loc: Echo,OR
I was told by Pete Askins (founder of Sleepy Creeks) that you should have some spacing between the bottom of the pot and the contact area of the traps that are on the bottom of the pot. For example....before putting your traps and water in the pot....put some mesh screen in that hold the traps away from direct contact of the bottom. It makes since to me since the flame is hottest at that part of the pot.

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#17960 - 10/04/05 07:40 AM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hale87 Offline
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Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 22
Loc: pa
When I first discovered the springs were bad I decided to replace them. Well,,, it didn't take long to figure out the levers were bad as well. When setting the trap the off-side ( these were not fourcoiled ) of the spring lever would go down way too easily. I don't know how to explain it any better. The spring side obviously has more pressure on it so it came up first. You would push down on them and they would bend rather than go down. There's an off chance that maybe my brother still has one of those traps. If I can find one of them,,,,, I'll put this topic to rest.

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#17961 - 10/05/05 02:42 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
trap jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
I never really gave much thought to the temperature at the bottom of the pot. Does anyone know if it's possible that it can be that much hotter that it makes a considerable difference?

Also, it's interesting that it was stated that Victor traps were ruined from boiling. I've heard this before about the older Victors but I've not heard of it happeneing to newer Victors. Maybe the steel quality wasn't as good on the older traps?

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#17962 - 10/05/05 02:48 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
ErikT Offline
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Registered: 06/09/04
Posts: 25
Loc: South Central PA
I know a full-time team of nusance trappers that boil tens of thousands of traps per year. To weaken the spring on a new conibear they first compress the springs and put the clips on, then boil on the bottom of the pot for an extended period of time ( I can't reference a specific length of time). This makes setting easier when they are setting dozens per day.

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#17963 - 10/05/05 03:45 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Ric Offline


Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3650
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
Before this goes much futher lets lay off the anecdotal and second hand evidence.
If you have had a personal experience by all means lets talk about it.
Personally I want to meet the fella who intensionally weakens 10,000+ traps by boiling them and has time to run a business.

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#17964 - 10/05/05 03:51 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Ric Offline


Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3650
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
Water at bottom of pot? Practically, water is water.All the water in you container is going to be very close to the same temp.Now if the trap is in direct contact with the bottom of the container you could get some higher temps. through metal to metal transfer.This would be quickly disapated by the surounding water so I can not see it causing a problem

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#17965 - 10/05/05 04:59 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Coon_Gitter Offline
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Registered: 08/01/05
Posts: 102
Loc: Hillsdale NY
Alot of my traps are already atached to my traps to the tip of them gets died and waxed.

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#17966 - 10/05/05 06:40 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
I boil all of my traps in a large stainless steel high sided pan over a fire like everyone else probably does.I still use alot of old victors that belonged to my father when he trapped over 30 years ago.I have never had a problem with springs weakening or traps loosing their temper when doing this-even the ones on the bottom of the boil pan in direct contact with the bottom are fine.Yes,i've replaced a few springs due to age and rust,but after some of them been in use for 30 years they were due for a change.I just cant see how boiling traps in a pan over a wood fire can weaken them and cause them to loose temper unless your using a blast furnace for a heater.

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#17967 - 10/05/05 07:16 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
trap jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
Skinner, you mention "a blast furnace" Not to be ignorant, but what do you mean by that? I was considering getting one of those propane turkey cookers. The ones that you cook the turkey in hot oil. I had heard of these being used and I was considering it for the idea of making boiling quicker and easier by not having the mess of a wood fire. Now I know these burners can get pretty hot but you can regulate the heat. Is something like this what you were refering to as "a blast furnace" type thing.

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#17968 - 10/05/05 08:55 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Coy-Dog Offline
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Ransomville,N.Y
I Have a lot of old victor's and i use agas burner off an old outdoor grill i made up. I would think if it got that hot my name tag's would melt.IT'S got to be from getting them to rusty to maney times or did you try cleaning them with acid.

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#17969 - 10/06/05 10:06 AM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hale87 Offline
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Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 22
Loc: pa
If a tree falls in the woods and you're not there,,,,, does it make a sound?

(First chance,last chance.If you have something to contribute by all means do so.If not this isn't the place to post..Ric)

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#17970 - 10/06/05 02:02 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hale87 Offline
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Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 22
Loc: pa
Ric, I'm sorry you couldn't figure it out. Point was that if you weren't there to see the traps go in and you weren't there when they came out. Then you really don't know what happened. I grew up in a very mecahnically inclined family. My father ran his own refrigeration business. I've been around things of this nature forever. I really don't tink I've crossed some "line", but if you want to ban me for something so trivial as this?? Help yourself life's too short. Ric, your a moderator of a trapping board,,,,, not governor of your state. LOL

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#17971 - 10/06/05 02:24 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 9886
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
How about this then... The traps were bad before you put them in the boiling water?

(I'm not governer either, but I'll ban ya quicker than Ric will... LOL)

frown -- Hal
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#17972 - 10/06/05 02:43 PM Re: Boiling traps.. does it weaken the temper of the steel?
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 9886
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
I'm closing this post.

Note: It is not possible to destroy the temper of trap springs at the temperature of boiling water. Particularly if the traps are boiled for a reasonable period of time, say a half hour or less. You should be able to boil a trap clean in a half hour. However, I don't believe that exposures over that period of time would be too injurious either.

smile -- Hal
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