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#18348 - 04/21/06 01:34 PM Speed Dip Durability
MUDDSTUD Offline
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 22
Loc: S.E. ALABAMA
Getting ready to try speed dip. What kind of wear can I expect out of this product. I use 1.75 o.s. victor modified w/ base plates, taos springs, shock spring and 3 crunch proof swivels no chain. In the past I've cleaned, died and waxed after each catch. This past year I spent enough $ on propane to buy a doz traps. My catches consist of coon, fox, opposum, cat and coyote. I dry land set about 95% of the time. Couldn't find much on wear of this product in the archives.

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#18349 - 04/21/06 02:24 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability
Hal Offline
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
It's not going to "wear" any better than wax.

Why do you redo the trap after every catch?

quest -- Hal
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#18350 - 04/21/06 03:35 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 22
Loc: S.E. ALABAMA
Well my records show that I was having better results with fresh traps. I rarely got good results remaking a set ( in the same set w/ the same trap ) after a catch. I just pull the "dirty" trap after a catch and move just outside the catch circle with a "fresh" (clean newly waxed)trap and reset. I was hopping to find a coating that could last for four or five catches w/o having to be recoated. I would as in the past want to "sterilize" them after each catch.

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#18351 - 04/21/06 05:15 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Okay. But why not leave the dirty trap at the dirty set, and make a new fresh set outside the catch circle?

But, that may be a moot point.

No matter what you put on the trap, it will be contaminated after an animal is caught. You're going to have to clean that trap up, before you make a new set with it. You can boil dipped traps to clean them up. You're not saving any clean up costs.

Now let's say you have your dipped trap cleaned up. It may have some, maybe even most, of the dip on it, but it will be nicked and scratched and those places will rust. I am primarily worried about rust from deterioration point. It could be really bad if you resued that trap with a corrosive antifreeze like salt or calcium chloride. It is up to you how much rusting you can tolerate on a reset trap.

In my estimation, trying to redip traps during the cold weather of trapping season would be unwise. Dip just doesn’t dry quickly in cold weather. You can, as you know, rewax a trap and use it the next day.

The only kind of coating that would hold up to any extent would be the powder coatings that we talked about on here a while ago. But that would be expensive, and it would have to be done when the traps were brand new.

So, the question is how much rust can you stand?

smile -- Hal
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#18352 - 04/23/06 01:23 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 22
Loc: S.E. ALABAMA
Well, here in South Al. we don't use any of those corrosive antifreeze agents. So rust from moisture is my only problem when the trap's metal becomes exposed. Would I be correct in saying that the speed dip would have about the same "wear" as wax?
To give you an answer on the amount of rust I can tolerate - very little to none. I can't put a trap in the dirt if I don't feel it is as fast as lightning. May be thats why I go to the trouble of cleaning and waxing after each catch -just to make me feel better.

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#18353 - 04/23/06 08:44 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 07/31/00
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Loc: Port Republic,South Jersey & C...
MUDDSTUD,That last line-"Just to make me feel better".

You said it ALL.If you are not satified with a set you put in.
Just plan and simple.
IT WONT CATCH ANYTHING.

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#18354 - 04/24/06 06:20 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
jwr Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 199
Loc: ark
If you are planning on dipping the traps then using them in a few days I would suggest usinf f1 instead of speed dip wears about the same, no $3 a gal. gas to buy and can be dipped today and set tomorrow. Try that with speed dip.

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#18355 - 04/24/06 09:39 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
Hal Offline
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"May be thats why I go to the trouble of cleaning and waxing after each catch -just to make me feel better."

Don't get me wrong. If you are going to make a new, clean set; you need a new, clean trap. I just think you are missing the boat by abandoning a set that has already made a catch. You can remake a set already contaminated with animal odors using the same dirty trap in which you caught the animal. After all, the trap smells the same as the dirt. You do need to clean any or fluids off the trap but you can do that by rubbing it with dirt. However, if the trap does get too scratched up you may need to replace it with a new one.

I know you can run through a lot of traps replacing after every catch, because that's what I used to do years and years ago. But if that's what you insist, then you are probably using the best method you can right now.

As I said, you are not going to get away from cleaning the traps. If you clean the dipped traps, and don't redip them they are just going to rust in the scratched up places as soon as you put them in the ground. If you redip them you have to let them dry. In winter weather, it will take a long, long time for a coating of petroleum based dip to dry. Put it this way, it would be impractical to dip traps in the winter time.

In reality, boiling and waxing is the fastest way to get traps back into the field if you have to do it in the middle of trapping season.

smile -- Hal
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#18356 - 04/24/06 11:44 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 22
Loc: S.E. ALABAMA
Yes Hal I agree w/ you about missing the boat. But intil I find out why my catch rate is down on these remakes I'll have to stick to remaking w/ new just outside the old catch circle. It also sounds like I'll be waxing again this year. After some thought I'll probably buy more traps to help reach maximum efficiency with the cleaning and waxing process. Do you have any suggestions on a particular brand of dip incase I decide to experiment.

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#18357 - 04/24/06 01:50 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 574
Loc: Holdrege, Nebraska
I'm sure this will probably get some telling me what an idiot i am over this deal, but i really think the amount of time spent re-doing traps during the season is better spent scouting and putting in new sets.

i never do a midseason boiling on my coon and mink traps. just swish the mud off real good and on to the next location.

i run a coyote line with everything clean, with a few extra clean to do just as hal was talking. you catch one, i reset the circle and put in a fresh set. my experience, i may pick up that ol shy dog in the clean set that will not work the circle. but i'll catch more in the remakes than the clean as a rule of thumb.

then unless the traps are really bad, i'm taking them strait into my cat line. (this is the part where i expect to take some flack) if the traps are really bad, they get cleaned, but if not, they go right back in the ground for cats. and its not unusual to catch a few coyotes in the dirty traps on my cat line. with this said, i have no indication from tracks or digging that the traps have bothered the critters.

moral of the story, i'm all for clean traps, but there maybe time better spent than cleaning them up after each catch. by the time skinning and fleshing is over for the night, i'm ready for bed and another early morning. If i thought i was educating critters, i would darn sure change some things, but until i see that, what i'm doing works for me. smile

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#18358 - 04/24/06 04:41 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 22
Loc: S.E. ALABAMA
Well I'm not quick to call anyone an idiot. I think we all have little differences in our trapping methods that would make others scoff.
I don't have a problem taking the time to clean and wax traps. My son and I enjoy getting out of the house ( away from the girls) and having quality time around the kettle. I usually skin while boiling traps. I just don't like to be wasteful - if I can help it. The funny thing is I just thought about the heat from that kettle while skinning. It might be worth the "waste"! I was born COLD.

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#18359 - 04/26/06 08:54 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
Otterwater0566 Offline
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Registered: 02/01/04
Posts: 440
Loc: Austin, AR
Each to his own methods, I find that a good rinsing off in the creek for real dirty or contaminated traps works for me. I do touch ups on the line w/ cheap black spray paint, right over the speed dipped trap. It dries quickly and keeps the rust under control. IMO, the animals will know that you have been there anyway...

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#18360 - 05/07/06 11:56 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
leon melton Offline
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Registered: 08/04/05
Posts: 12
Loc: oklahoma
I have caught up to 6 coyotes at the same set, same trap. I believe the set gets better after each catch. I just throw a little dirt on the trap and rub it in each time i make a catch. When i sift dirt back over the set i want the dirt from the catch circle i dont care if theres blood in it or not. I want the whole circle to smell the same.

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#18361 - 05/08/06 08:19 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
Mr. Otter Offline
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Registered: 04/13/06
Posts: 93
Loc: South Carolina
If your determined to to use a new trap after each catch.Then the ansewer to your problem is to buy more traps and just re do all your traps at the end of the season.

Otter

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#18362 - 05/09/06 09:41 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
MUDDSTUD Offline
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 22
Loc: S.E. ALABAMA
Well guys as I said in the earlier post. I don't have the same rate of success on the remakes - Don't know why yet. May be I expect more out of a set. This past year I averaged 12.35 animals per trap. I just can't imagine how a trap would function properly w/o treatment (cleaning, boiling, and waxing)after 3 or 4 catches. Do you fellows notice any difference in the speed of those dirty and /or rusty traps. Surely your pan tension increases due to the "grit". What about shock springs and swivels ? Don't get me wrong I know that traps need readjusting more often than not after a catch, but can you adjust enough that you feel the trap works as well after the 2nd or 3rd catch as it did after it had been treated for the first catch of that season.

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#18363 - 05/14/06 07:13 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 197
Loc: Western Australia
I have used quite a few traps for years that have never been waxed and they are pretty rusty! But they still work good. These traps are used in back-blocks country on cats and I would not use use them on foxes etc as a general rule (although I do catch canines in them). While a little slower than a fresh waxed trap, they catch just fine, and are similar to comparing a reasonably well used trap to a new one (with original springs).

I have some clients who use poison on foxes (its legal here) and they put their baits at exactly the same locations, year in, year out. When they first put out baits at say 10 per sq mile, some areas lose baits and and some dont. Now what that tells you is if you find a good spot that catches, stick to it! In this way, that good spot will work well time and time again. I use the exact same locations for trapping for years - if I have caught there in the beginning (if I dont catch, I normally dont bother setting there again).

In a remake situation, not only do you have a proven good spot, you have the added bonus of lots of scent to attract another one. Use it to your advantage and save yourself a lot of time looking for other locations and setting where the location just doesnt catch.
Mike

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#18364 - 05/14/06 09:28 AM Re: Speed Dip Durability
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Registered: 04/13/06
Posts: 93
Loc: South Carolina
There are some animals that just won't work a catch circle.I don't belive It's because of a dirty or rusty trap. I think they are from a familly group that witnessed another member get caught.
I once witnessed a dog get caught In a trap, It was running with a pack (feral dogs).When it got caught.One dog went Into the catch circle, I supose trying to help or just being curious. The caught dog laid right Into the other dog. I would assume that bad experinces will keep some animals out of a catch circle. The most coyotes I have ever caught were 6 out of the same set and the same trap. Now these could have been coyotes just passing through and not from any familly group.

At least 2 more fresh sets with In 10' or so will solve the problem.

If I run out of clean traps I just pressure wash the dirty traps, let them dry and re wax and I'm good to go the next day.You can't do that with speed dip.

Otter

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#25389 - 10/17/17 12:29 PM Re: Speed Dip Durability [Re: MUDDSTUD]
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