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#18627 - 07/25/06 06:48 PM Treating snares
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Beaver wise or for that matter anywise..........

dippen snares, does it do any good or is it a waste ?

I havent dipped or dulled a beaver snare ever, I have done ok and snared the pee outta a few insidental otter and fox in the same snare....

Is it worth the trouble ??

(Edit: Title edited - Hal)

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#18628 - 07/25/06 06:56 PM Re: Treating snares
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It does save the locks from rusting up ... smile

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#18629 - 07/25/06 07:14 PM Re: Treating snares
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rusty locks have never caused me a problem.........

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#18630 - 07/25/06 08:52 PM Re: Treating snares
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If you're like me, you probably set a few snares each year that don't connect. i'd rather have that snare re-usable next fall. back in March i bought some of Newt's Formula One, dip/coat? i bought the "brown", after 2 dips they are really camoed nice, and didn't really slow the snare either. i dunked around 6 dozen snares in 10 minutes or so, and then dunked them again, after the first batch dried. not sure if it'll make a difference or not? my sample snares on the porch have been in the weather since March, and still look about the same. smile

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#18631 - 07/26/06 05:17 PM Re: Treating snares
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I don't dip snares, never have. I will boil yote snares in soda, but everything else just goes on the line. I leave plenty on the line every year(Closed up) and don't have a problem with them holding the next season. If they are not under water or laying on the ground, they have a long life span.

RO smile

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#18632 - 07/26/06 06:48 PM Re: Treating snares
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Nope, use to bake in soda but don't even do that anymore, not seen a reason to dip/dye snare's.

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#18633 - 07/27/06 02:40 PM Re: Treating snares
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I boil them in baking soda to clean them up and dull the shine, but hereís a note of caution. Do not use too much baking soda in your water 1/4 cup to a gallon is way plenty.

One time I had an old box of baking soda I was trying to get rid of so I threw it all into the soup kettle I was boiling my snares in. I had the solution so caustic that it actually ate some of the galvanizing completely away. Subsequently, the cable rusted.

frown -- Hal
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#18634 - 07/27/06 06:18 PM Re: Treating snares
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Of coures I dip my snares.
No boiling or soak'n in vinger. Build'm and dip'm

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#18635 - 07/27/06 07:00 PM Re: Treating snares
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Ok Slimey,

Why did you wait to reply, you read this thread yesterday ........LOL

Now tell me why , is it just because of habit or do you see a difference .

I see no difference at all.

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#18636 - 07/28/06 06:31 AM Re: Treating snares
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I used to boil snares or cable restraints here in WI ...LOL.... but have taken to just putting snares in vinegar for two or three days , taking out and rinsing good and hanging up to dry... works well and of course no $$ in heating up water ... Newt explain how you dip your snares in your Formula One as i know lots of people have and have nothing but problems with heavy coating on cables.... Proceed Proffessor NEWTON!

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#18637 - 07/28/06 06:47 AM Re: Treating snares
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I have watched Slimey do just that and understand why folk would have problems iffin they leave out his last step in the process.

I will let him explain tho...... laugh

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#18638 - 07/28/06 06:56 AM Re: Treating snares
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I've cooked my snares in baking soda also. i remember in Tom Krause's one book, he recommended the boiling in soda to "break the shine". today he spray paints his snares, just to camo them, a spurt here and there. Tom said that the baking soda will penetrate the snare and cause it to rust inside.

Have you guys ever checked a snare line in the dark? with a good light you can see 5/64 wire 40 yards. they almost glow. not sure if my snares will glow after dunking in Newt's stuff, or not? smile

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#18639 - 07/28/06 07:01 AM Re: Treating snares
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No, they wont glow in the dark...LOL

I have some of his dipped snares he gave me, they dont shine at all or glow.

Back to the question tho, does it make a difference to a beaver, I still dont think so , but hey I am willin to listen.

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#18640 - 07/28/06 07:14 AM Re: Treating snares
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Rinse them off in water and throw them out in the sun all summer.. dulls them a bit...then use them.

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#18641 - 07/28/06 08:18 AM Re: Treating snares
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Buzz , What are we trap'n for ?
ADC or Fur

Fur -No I dont think it would matter much.In "NEWTS WORLD" When I'm fur trap'n and come up with a so called "smart one". I just move on.I have found that 10 "dumb ones" are worth 10x's more that one "smart one".

ADC-Yes, Again we go into "NEWTS WORLD"
Most beaver snareman in the USA snare beaver with 7x7 3/32" cable (Tow Line)I use 1x19 1/16".When this stuff if dipped you just cant see it.
I beleave a "smart Beaver" will avoid a snare.You can train a animal to do most anything. Shackle, my dog can run down a trail set with snares and avoid every one.She will do this of course ,when I let her know that there are snares set. Or when she hits the first one.Here I talk'n about a trail that she has never been down.I do find I can catch her,when she drops her head. Under logs or fence craw unders. But only once.Some how she rembers and will go under or over the log ,or use a different craw under.

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#18642 - 07/28/06 08:58 AM Re: Treating snares
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Buzzard, OK, i was talking about land snares. Seriously, a snare boiled in soda water, will reflect a "different" color - from anything else in the woods (in the beam of a good flashlight). No they don't glow like a neon light, lol. smile

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#18643 - 07/28/06 10:26 AM Re: Treating snares
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Well Newt, what is the last step in your process for dipping snares? smile
Thanks,
Dan

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#18644 - 07/28/06 05:44 PM Re: Treating snares
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Quote:
Have you guys ever checked a snare line in the dark? with a good light you can see 5/64 wire 40 yards. they almost glow. not sure if my snares will glow after dunking in Newt's stuff, or not?
RedSnow, I've Never seen a coyote packin' a flashlight. confused

I check plenty of line after sundown and yeah, my snares may reflect light slightly, but so does the frost and snow. What I do know is this, I have a heck of a time spotting my snares once they sit on the line for a while and if not for my notes, I doubt I could find all my snares come spring. Judging by the number of critters that get tangled up every year in my snares, I'm guessing they don't see grey cable much better than me.

I don't have a problem with avoidance,(Snow is a pretty good indicator) so why would I want to waste my time dipping a "one time use" chunk of cable.

RO smile

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#18645 - 07/28/06 09:06 PM Re: Treating snares
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RO, one thing that i'm getting at is: bobcat. They say a cat can see what we see. Colors. I've had cats dodge my snares (I agree tracks in the snow don't lie). Who knows what a cat sees in it's "night vision" goggles? Or a fox or yote? And 90% of the critters we catch are caught during dark. Wish I could see through a cat's eyes for an hour. Just something to think about. smile

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#18646 - 07/28/06 09:08 PM Re: Treating snares
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Last I heard .......purty much all critters were color blind w/ the exception of birds.

I may be wrong and someone correct me if so.........

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#18647 - 07/29/06 09:57 AM Re: Treating snares
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Seeing like a cat is not all what it is cracked up to be.

"to a dog or cat greens are almost indistinguishable from white(a shade of grey)"

"visual acuity of a cat is 20% of humans"

"if normal human vision is 20/20 a cats is 20/100"

on the plus side

"cats can detect light 6 times dimmer than humans"

And can detect motion as well as us

(taken from animaleyecare.com)

I'll keep my eyes such as they are thank you,living in a world of fuzzy pastels and not being able to find things I drop is not appealing.It always intrigues me when people assume animals have a superior sensory package.We have survived as a species for a few million years now without fangs ,claws or exceptional strength. There are reasons.


Back to snares I dipped some for a while but stopped as I did not see any difference.I now boil in bakeing soda, to clean off the residue from my workbench (which could be just about anything)
I would set a shiney snare and expect it to work but if I set a dull snare I would know it would work.Look at the eye sight figues for dogs and cats.Cats are very far sighted ,dogs aren't much better).Visual acuity (the ability to see seperate objects) of cats is only 20% of what we experience in dogs it is about 40%.By the time they get to a point where the could detect a snare it is a very fuzzy world.THis should give everone something to ponder

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#18648 - 07/29/06 11:16 AM Re: Treating snares
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Ric, just another comment about a cat's vision: please. Not sure if you've ever used a "laser-pointer", the kind that projects a red beam. The same type laser that teachers/office managers use in meetings. Or, you'd mount on a handgun/rifle. They will drive a house-cat crazy. I've seen this first-hand. Cats will chase the dot. And, you can't get a dog to notice the beam. I just searched "laser pointer cat", came up with 30 items on Ebay. Cats see/percieve red. Does a snare look red to a cat? Wish I could answer that question. smile

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#18649 - 07/29/06 04:13 PM Re: Treating snares
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Dktfireman,I dip my snares just as they come off the workbench.
1- Hang a line up .Like a clothes line.
2-Close the loop on the snares.Hang the snares on the clothes line by the closed loop.
3- Gather up about 6 snares. Dip, than rehang them.Making sure they dont touch each other.
4- After they dry. Dip them again.If your do'n 3 dozen or more ,you should be able to just go and start over.The first ones will be dry enough to recoat.
5-Give'm a day to get good'n hard .Then do what ever you do with your snares.I S-Hook'm up to a 6'extension cable. Coil'm up and put them in a 10"x12"x24"tool box,the yellow and black ones you get at Home Depo.The tool box with the snares are now ready to go in the boat,canoe or truck.

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#18650 - 07/29/06 08:20 PM Re: Treating snares
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When you guys talk about "dipping" are you talking about dying them? With what? Logwood crystals, liquid dyes, speed dip, or walnut hulls? What are your preferences? I boiled in baking soda when I first bought them then let them hang. Before season the washers were all rusted. Probably a good reason for zero snare catches. Did I do something wrong.

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#18651 - 07/30/06 09:09 AM Re: Treating snares
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I was talk'n about FORMULA ONE
For years I boiled my snares.What I have found out about boiling and vinger treatment is--
1- It dulls the shine.By oxdizing the galvanizing
2- That kills some of the galvanizing. So they rust up faster.
3- It makes the cable ruffer. That slows down the snare.

Altho this may not effect the adverage trapper. But to a professiional trapper. The bottom line is the pay check.

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#18652 - 07/30/06 01:51 PM Re: Treating snares
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Not exactly, but youíre close.

The idea behind galvanizing anything steel is to protect it from rust. Thatís the purpose of galvanize. Part of how this prevents rust it that the galvanize coating (zinc) does oxidize slightly, but in doing so it forms a protective water-tight surface. No water -- no rust.

Everyone knows that if you just let the snares hang in the air for a while, they coating will turn gray of itís own natural accord. Boiling the snares in a mild basic solution, like a mild solution of baking soda, just hastens the natural process.

By the same token, as I described in a post above, too strong of a basic solution with actually attack the galvanize and eat it away. You should never boil snares in something like a lye solution.

Acids are another matter all together. They react more quickly with zinc than do bases. A very easy way to remove galvanize coating from chain and other things you might want to rust is to dip them into muratic acid. (Outdoors only!!!) The zinc will be gone in a matter of a few seconds, and your steel will be rusty tomorrow.

Vinegar is a very weak acid, thatís the reason most folks donít get themselves in too much trouble using it. But personally, I would never recommend that anyone dunk or soak their snares in vinegar. Baking soda is cheap, and it doesnít cost all that much to boil some water.

As for the cable being rougher, thatís certainly a valid observation. But Iím not sure thatís a significant impact on the performance of the device. Look above where Buzzard said he didnít even care if the locks were rusty. smile

smile -- Hal
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#18653 - 07/30/06 03:55 PM Re: Treating snares
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Oops. I skipped right over Thumbís post.

ďBefore season the washers were all rusted. Probably a good reason for zero snare catches.

If the washers were not galvanized, you could expect them to rust if they hung out in the weather. As far as that being the cause for no catch, note what Buzzard said above: ďrusty locks have never caused me a problem.........Ē

Donít get dye and dip confused. Your logwood and walnut hulls are dye. They are meant to give rusty steel a black color. They have no perceptive effect on galvanized snare cable, so donít waste your time.

Weíre talking about dip here, and in fact we are talking about a specific kind of dip. Formula 1 is a water based dip. It dries to a hard coating. And be reminded that this is done primarily to camouflage the snare. Except in extreme conditions (salt water) galvanized cable needs little further protection. By judiciously using your older snares first, the snare should make a catch long before it rusts up.

But reviewing the title of this thread, we do need to talk about petroleum based dips as well. Frankly, I myself could not envision using the same lantern fuel and dip mixture on snares that I use on bodygrip traps. Even when this stuff is dry it has a rubbery texture. I canít imagine having snare cables and locks coated with that. Also I would be somewhat concerned that this stuff would rub off on a snared animal.

So my question now becomes, are there any experienced snare users out there who successfully use (or have tried to use) petroleum based dips on their snares?

quest -- Hal
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#18654 - 07/30/06 05:44 PM Re: Treating snares
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Hal, I have rever tryed it. (petroleum bace dip)
For the same reason that you stated.

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#18655 - 07/30/06 07:11 PM Re: Treating snares
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I have used and still use petroleum based dips.

My snare pile is a real mix. Some are not treated, others are F-1, some are baking soda, others are boiled over the camp fire with fir branches, etc..

This year I dipped a bunch of old snares. The reason? My "tie wire" was starting to rust. In other words, the snare wasn't the reason I dipped. But since both are joined together it was the fastest way of doing it.

I have seen no difference in catch results depending on the method/non-method of treating them.

I do not like rusty locks.I'm always afraid they will stain the fur.

Before I set any snare I open and close it a few times to smooth everything out.

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#25384 - 10/17/17 12:28 PM Re: Treating snares [Re: Buzzard..]
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Dated for search.

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