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#24816 - 05/22/17 09:06 PM Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please
Randy Sheckles Offline
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I was just contacted today about trapping Beaver out of a pond that they are demolishing. Anyway it is BAD so bad that the farmer had Conservation Officers come there to check out for themselves.

So my question is can I still use Castor Lure on mud pies and have success like I did this last season or how and what do I need to do?

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#24817 - 05/23/17 08:39 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Pond beaver can be tough. Castor mounds will work -- for awhile.

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#24818 - 05/23/17 09:30 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Hal]
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You ain't kiddin Hal, nothing this morning. But I only have 5 sets out. 1st time for a VERY VERY long time I've been skunked at a Beaver infested area. There is 3 Huge Huts out in deeper water and some runs with no fresh tracks so I made some fake slides and Castor mounds as close to the huts that I could get.

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#24821 - 05/24/17 06:42 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Let me ask, what are the beaver eating?

Have you walked around the pond and checked for active trails?

I'm not familiar with Iowa regulations, are snares legal? Since this job is more or less damage control, I'd think they are legal.

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#24822 - 05/24/17 09:02 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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It may be best to forgo scouting around the pond. With pond beaver, it is entirely possible those beaver will learn your scent, and stay away from anything you do. I have had situations were I had to enter the water, and walk 50 yards in the water carrying my equipment to avoid leaving scent on the ground. Then make the set while standing the water, never touching the bank.

If you get these beaver stirred up, you may never catch them. In some cases, shooting the beaver is the best option.

A beaver in an isolated pond can be one of the hardest animals on earth to catch.
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#24825 - 05/24/17 08:02 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Hal]
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Thanks alot Hal. That helps a bunch!!!

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#24826 - 05/24/17 08:08 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: redsnow]
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Yes redsnow snares are legal. Thats all I ever use For Beaver. Snares and Castor Mounds. The trails are not being used at all.Looks like the are eating their feedbeds. Which seem to be about gone. I will give it 2 more days if nothing, looks like I will be sitting out their sunrise and sunset to do it Hal's way.


Edited by Randy Sheckles (05/24/17 08:09 PM)

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#24827 - 05/25/17 06:35 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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It's hard to get a feel for a place without seeing it. If the farmer and the conservation officers have been out there tinkering around, you never know.

Above you said the place was infested with beaver, are you sure? If it's infested, there should be at least a little bit of fresh sign.

Let me ask about the huts out in deep water, any fresh sign on them?

Describe the area a little bit more, when you get a chance.

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#24828 - 05/25/17 07:18 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: redsnow]
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Hi redsnow!!! They have been sitting in top of the huts anyway,cause I see mounds of fresh Beaver poop. I did finally find a entry way into one of the bank huts but not the other one.
And yes I talked to the farmer at sunrise this morning and he had been taking shots at them with a gun days before they got ahold of me. There is no sign at all on the trails. I would've seen something with the rains lately. I've never been so confused on trapping Beaver. Thanks redsnow!!!

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#24829 - 05/25/17 08:32 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Originally Posted By: Randy Sheckles
Yes redsnow snares are legal. Thats all I ever use For Beaver. Snares and Castor Mounds. The trails are not being used at all.Looks like the are eating their feedbeds. Which seem to be about gone. I will give it 2 more days if nothing, looks like I will be sitting out their sunrise and sunset to do it Hal's way.


Originally Posted By: Randy Sheckles
Hi redsnow!!! They have been sitting in top of the huts anyway,cause I see mounds of fresh Beaver poop. I did finally find a entry way into one of the bank huts but not the other one.
And yes I talked to the farmer at sunrise this morning and he had been taking shots at them with a gun days before they got ahold of me. There is no sign at all on the trails. I would've seen something with the rains lately. I've never been so confused on trapping Beaver. Thanks redsnow!!!


I see some confusing issues here. 1.)Most generally, feed beds aren't extant this time of year. Beaver usually start laying in a feed bed towards fall. 2.)Beaver don't generally defecate on top of their huts. 3.) If you are limited to just one tool (snares) then you have a very rough row to hoe.

Hal
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#24830 - 05/27/17 01:13 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Hal]
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Maybe my meaning of a feedbed is incorrect. I see where there is a bunch of sticks and other grassy junk and the sticks look as though there almost gone with older looking chew marks.

What I see on top of the Huts looks like a Big Castor Mound. Is that possible? It sure stinks like one too!!! There is no sign at all on there old trails.

I do have some 330's and 280's but have really not ever used them. I just have pretty good look with snares from Nov. til April. Ended up with 53 Beavers my best season ever, and caught my BIGGEST EVER, she weighed in @ 72 pounds I still don't beleive it. Later part of the season used Castor Mounds. And the 1st part of the season snaring in the water where there was HOT trails.

The pond is on top of a hill and there is a smaller pool below where the pond drains out. I do see a faint trail going fron the pond down to the pool. It's not a coon trail or deer. Maybe set on that trail and see what happens. I am completely baffled. Thanks Hal!!!



Edited by Randy Sheckles (05/27/17 01:14 AM)

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#24831 - 05/27/17 07:29 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Well, it's been a week since this thread was started. If you're not finding any fresh sign, I'd circle the pond and see what's going on.

The way you've described the feedbeds, sounds like maybe muskrats are dragging in stuff? Or it's just growing there on it's own?

The more I read into your comments, it sounds like the farmer has already shot and killed the beaver.

I'm curious, did the farmer tell you that he'd been shooting at them, before you started trapping? Or was it just the other day?

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#24832 - 05/27/17 09:01 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: redsnow]
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Yes he said he shot 1 and killed. And been missing ALOT redsnow.


Edited by Randy Sheckles (05/27/17 11:55 AM)

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#24833 - 05/27/17 09:30 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Generally, in reference to beaver, a feedbed or feed pile, is constructed underwater (for the most part) and consists of green material with the bark on, that the beaver will eat under ice during the winter. I would say the mud on top of the beaver lodge is simply the beaver plastering its roof. Is that mud refreshed periodically.
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#24835 - 05/27/17 11:54 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Hal]
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Well have been there 5 days now and yes its looked fresh again today. I have a Great Idea Hal. Come to Iowa and help me then I can brag to everyone that I got to trap with a TRUE LEGEND.

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#24836 - 05/27/17 12:06 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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If you and the landowner both have screwed with those beaver, it would be a $500 set up charge, $200 daily maintenance fee, and $1,000 a beaver.

(And I ain't no damn legend.)

Hal
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#24840 - 05/31/17 06:14 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Randy, give us an update.

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#24842 - 05/31/17 08:25 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: redsnow]
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Hi redsnow. I have only been able to catch 2 in snares going in to there hut. And they are on the smaller version. Nothing else has been touched. I know the creek that the Beaver came from, it's close to the pond. Is it possible that other Beaver have moved on back to the creek?

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#24843 - 06/02/17 05:01 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Sit out there for a couple hours after sunset and watch, that will tell the story. Dale

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#24844 - 06/02/17 06:39 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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It's possible that the beaver have moved out.

You've never said, how big is this pond? Is it 100 yards across? Or 5 acres?

Above when you said that it was infested, is there enough food nearby the pond to support very many beaver?

3 beaver can make a lot of sign.

You have 280's and 330's, if you're trapping at their huts, I'd use them before snares in that situation.

Coming up on 2 weeks now, I like Dale's idea, and I'd take my rifle too.

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#24846 - 06/02/17 07:32 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: redsnow]
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It's time for the rifle. The pond is 100 yds wide and 300 yards long and lots of trees around the pond. Swampy lookin. Besides the 2 juveniles that I have caught. I haven't seen any more beaver. The owner shot at some and killed 1 [bad shot]. cry cry

And for being infested. In order for the D.N.R. to give special permission for the owner to shoot them out of season. They had to mount 2 cameras to see Beaver action and for 3 nights they captured ALOT of Beaver action on film Kinda neat. But anyway I have failed and will comeback in a month of not getting shot at and try again.


Edited by Randy Sheckles (06/02/17 07:39 PM)

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#24847 - 06/02/17 08:25 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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A pond that size, that may be all the beavers in there. Just because a lot of beavers show up on a camera doesn't mean that much population wise. A camera in the right location would see the same beaver or two quite a few times over the course of an evening or two. How many showed up on the same photo?

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#24848 - 06/02/17 10:38 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Mike Conrad]
Randy Sheckles Offline
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There was 5 in 1 photo

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#24849 - 06/02/17 11:08 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Another possibility is a beaver or two may have been shot besides the one that the owner knows about, and made its way to the lodge or a bank den.

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#24850 - 06/03/17 09:28 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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If a camera can take a picture of them, you should be able to get in range to punch their ticket. I use a 12 gauge at night. I have a nuisance wildlife removal permit through the state which allows me to remove them with this procedure. No rifle allowed for obvious reasons. Dale

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#24851 - 06/03/17 10:37 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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I have caught a couple of nuisance beaver in my time.

I don't mean to be too negative, but there are a number of folks who want to treat trapping nuisance beaver like they are trapping mice. Beaver might be the smartest rodents on the planet. Where they are thick, anybody can catch a pile of them. But, in the process, they educate the last few beaver to the point that they are almost impossible to catch. I've had to come behind folks who think the way to catch nuisance beaver is like scattering mouse traps around the house. If you think:

Originally Posted By: Hal
If you and the landowner both have screwed with those beaver, it would be a $500 set up charge, $200 daily maintenance fee, and $1,000 a beaver.


... is a joke. It's not. I have actually learned to just walk away from jobs like that.

Originally Posted By: Randy Sheckles
I did finally find a entry way into one of the bank huts but not the other one.


Obviously, you stomped around the huts looking for those opening. Big mistake. If somebody stomped around the outside of your house would you just go on about your business like normal?


Originally Posted By: Randy Sheckles
I have only been able to catch 2 in snares going in to there hut.


That's an even worse mistake. Seriously, if you have beaver tangled up right outside the den entrance, every beaver in the pond is going to encounter it. Again, would you feel comfortable at home if you found your kin folks dead or dying outside your back door?

I rarely set up a beaver den or lodge. Then only if I think I'm working on the last beaver.

Trapping beaver for sport in one thing. It doesn't really matter if you scare a few, or educate a few that will be seed. Trapping beaver to eliminate them as a nuisance is a whole 'nother ball game. The very first rule is don't scare them! And pond beaver are the very worst of the lot.

Hal
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#24852 - 06/04/17 07:44 AM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Randy Sheckles]
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Years ago I had a damage permit for this property, it just happened that the beaver spooked out of it's bank den while I was standing there, looking the place over, so I shot it and it sunk. I head shot it with my .222 Rem., it kicked around for a second and down it went. The water was clear, I could see it laying on the bottom, and was able to fish it out with a snare on the end of a long pole.

As well as I remember, that would have probably been in March, not sure? The water was cold. Our trapping laws have been upgraded since back then.

I don't know what kind of time frame we'd be dealing with, but in my opinion, at some point that carcass would have gassed up, and resurfaced. Not sure if it'd been a matter of hours or days or weeks?

That's one thing I was kind of wondering about Randy's deal in Iowa, if he was smelling anything rotten. As a rule most farmers are pretty decent shots, especially when they're PO'd at something.

Above where Randy said there was fresh mud on the huts about everyday, I'm thinking there might be little beaver kits inside. Never know? I was out the other day and noticed a little groundhog, about as small as you ever see them, out of their den. From the tip of it's nose to it's butt, I'd guess it at about 8 inches long.

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#24853 - 06/04/17 07:40 PM Re: Trapping Pond Beaver for Farmer-Help Please [Re: Hal]
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Your not being negative at all. I like constructive critisism. This was my 1st attempt at trapping nuisance beaver and it showed. You have some GREAT advice on what NOT to do. And I did treat it like IN season Beaver Trapping and ther is no comparison. I do have some farmers asking me to trap there Nuisance Beaver and someday I would like to do lots of it. Thanks Hal!!!

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