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#25223 - 09/03/17 07:54 AM Asset Protection, Theft.
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Most of you guys donít know much about me, so Iíll tell you a little bit about myself. I own a little grocery store, sort of a Mom/Pop type of convenience store, with lots of extras. Iíve been in business since July, 1st 1989, and I learned a long time ago, you canít trust everyone. Weíll talk a little about shoplifting, and theft, it costs us all money everyday.

I wrote something the other day, that Iím sure some of you didnít understand. when I wrote: ďIíve trained myself to think like a thiefĒ. I really donít care to say it that way, but I have, when Iím at work, thatís part of my job. Iím constantly on the lookout for easy targets, and constantly on the lookout for anyone that looks like theyíre up to no good.

Just thinking about it now, not sure how many shoplifters weíve caught over the years? Itíd be up in the dozens. If you take some of the big stores, theyíll catch people everyday.

One of my customers, Chris, works at the local Walmart, thatís her job, Asset Protection. Sheís paid to walk around the store ďshoppingĒ, and watching her cameras. Just to catch shoplifters. She must be pretty good at it too. Sheíll nab one or 2 or 3 about everyday. I always wish her good luck when she goes to work.

Chris was telling me one day, theyíd taken inventory of the store, (I forget how many months were involved), but there was over $90,000 worth of merchandise missing. Thatís 90,000 dollars that the rest of their customers are going to pay for, with higher prices.

Iíll tell you about my most recent shoplifter, and try to explain how our laws work, it just happened a week or so ago.

I was here at work, it was about a half hour before closing time. Two guys walked in together, I acknowledged them, they walked to the back part of the store, tinkered around for a minute, and walked back toward the counter. The man up front had 2 of those big single cans of beer, (the 22 or 24 ounce jobs) I know my prices pretty well. (His buddy was about 2 steps behind, I watched him grab something off of my shelf.)

Before the first guy made it to the counter I asked: Sir, is that all for you? Itíll be $3.38, I took his money, gave him his change, bagged them up and thanked the man. He started toward the door.

(The second guy stood behind the first man the whole time, which was only 30 seconds or so?)

The second guy was walking past my counter, when I asked: Sir, what can I do for you? He said: Iím with him. I said: Sir, youíve got something in your pocket. #2: What? Me: Sir, youíve got something in your pocket! He fumbled and dicked around in his pockets and pulled it out.

(I was dialing 911 by this time. ) The guy said that heíd forgot it, and his buddy was going to pay for it. (I was thinking, forgot your ass) Try to steal something and when you get caught, just go ahead and pay for it and go on your merry way. It donít work that way!

I told the man that the police were on the way, to hang tight. He walked outside and took off, first time Iíve ever had that happen. (The police station is just down the street, about 200 yards.)

The police officers rolled in, 3 of them. I didnít know the new officer. I told them what happened, said the guy was High Stepping it down the street. (The police had passed him on the street when they were coming up.) Two of the officers took off and rounded up the man, and brought him back to the store.

The 3 officers were here talking, I heard the one officer tell the new cop: ďYou can go ahead and take him.Ē (Go ahead and take him to jail.)

I didnít know until then, the police had dealt with this guy before. Chris, the lady at Walmart had caught him shoplifting, heíd also been caught at the Shop n Save, and now at my store. The one officer told me that he had ďSticky Fingers.Ē

Sure enough, the next morning the manís mugshot was on the Potomac Highlands Regional Jails website. Shoplifting 3rd offense. The way I understand things, thatís a felony.

A Deputy Sheriff served me with a summons, I had to appear Monday, 8/28/17, ďto testify as a witness on behalf of State of West Virginia, in the case of State of West Virginia vs . . . ď The guy waved his Magistrate Court hearing, so now itís bound over to Circuit Court.

They told me that his bond was set at $75,000. Heís going to spend some time in jail. I saw him at the courthouse the other day, sitting there cuffed up, wearing his orange jumpsuit. You canít hide stupid.

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#25224 - 09/03/17 12:58 PM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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Good story. Sounds like the end of a repeat offender.
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#25225 - 09/05/17 06:40 AM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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Angie, from the courthouse stopped here at the store last evening. I forget her title but her office is across the hall from the courtrooms, she's up to speed on all of this stuff.

I asked her what she thought would happen in court. She said: Third offense shoplifting, he'll be sentenced to 1 to 2 (years), he'll serve 8 months.

But just think about how much money this one shoplifter has cost us taxpayers.

I had 3 town Police Officers tied up here at the store the other night, plus the 911 folks. The regional jail is an hour down the road, that's a town vehicle and officer tied up for another 3 hours. The Magistrate's time. Paperwork from the court to the Sheriff's office, a Deputy and county vehicle to serve the summons. A Corrections Officer and vehicle from the jail to deliver the "suspect" to and from the courthouse.

I'm sure he'll have a court appointed attorney, we'll figure $150 per hour for him. Then you've got the Prosecuting Attorney, the Judge and all of the clerks. Plus the folks from the jail, they'll bring the man up here again, and then take him back "home".

And, according to Angie's prediction, we're going to furnish his room and board for the next 8 months!

I'll get you a picture of the item that he tried to steal. You won't believe it!

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#25226 - 09/05/17 09:34 PM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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Well, chalk up another $500 or so, down the drain. A Deputy Sheriff served me with another subpoena today, I'm to appear as state's witness, Monday the 11th at 10:00am.

It makes you wonder what the young man was thinking. Obviously, he wasn't using his brain at all.

Here's the exact item that's going to cost the man 8 months of his life.


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#25230 - 09/07/17 06:39 AM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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The incident that I mentioned above is unusual because it was the man's 3rd offense. I'll try to explain how it normally works.

Above I mentioned our local Shop n Save, I've known the owners all of my life. Years ago, Herb, (one of the owners) asked me what my policy was toward shoplifters. He told me that they'd found if you didn't have them arrested, as a rule you'd catch them stealing again. Herb was right, we caught almost all of the first several shoplifters, for a second time.

Today, if I catch someone shoplifting, I'm going to call the police. I don't care if it's only a 35 Cent pack of chewing gum, you will be arrested. This is how it works, I call 911, the police stop by and take my statement, they'll write the shoplifter a ticket. The shoplifter has so many days to report to the Magistrate Court, they'll be charged a fine (probably $25 or so), plus court costs. The last I heard, court costs are about $165.

So, that little pack of chewing gum is going to end up costing them, right at $200.

Pretty good incentive to keep your nose clean!

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#25281 - 09/26/17 06:39 AM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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I'll give you an update with the deal with the shoplifter. I went to the courthouse on the 11th, and basically stood in the hallway for an hour. The Prosecuting Attorney came to me the first time, and said that "we're waiting on his attorney." 20 minutes or so later, he called me off in private and said that the case will go before a "grand jury". That will be in October.

I've been finding out things about this guy. He's married, I'll guess he's in his early 30's. His wife was in the store the other day, someone pointed her out to me.

Talk about an awkward moment! His wife was seated down the hallway, about 20 feet from me. She'd glance at me, I'd glance at her. There's not a single thing that I can say.

I didn't want to be there, and I'm sure she didn't either. Her husband was down around the corner, all cuffed up and all. The young man should have thought about the consequences.


Edited by redsnow (09/26/17 11:45 AM)

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#25283 - 09/26/17 01:14 PM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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Well, Breaking News! (I edited my post above, I had the wrong court date, it was the 11th at 10 am, not the 10th.)

We have a local newspaper that comes out weekly. Just got it this morning.

Here is the headline: "Probation Violations Dominate Court Docket". I'll quote the first 5 paragraphs, it's public information.

"People who don't comply are saying they'd rather be in in jail than on probation." With more than half of the cases on the docket that were probation violations, Judge C. Carter Williams could not help but express his frustration.

Williams heard motions on Wednesday, Sept. 20 in Hardy County Circuit Court.

Justin A. Gray, 29, of Moorefield was sentenced to one year in jail in 2015 for petit larceny. The sentence was suspended and he was ordered to serve three years on probation.

On Aug. 22, Gray was arrested for shoplifting and officers noticed an odor of alcohol. His blood alcohol content was .115 as measured by a breathalyzer.

Standard conditions of probation are not committing another crime and not consuming alcohol.

Judge Williams found Gray in violation of his probation and ordered him to serve the one year sentence with credit for time served."

I'm not sure how all this will play out, for me. Since it's a separate case of shoplifting, I figure I'll be served with a subpoena to appear in October. I'll be glad when it's over and finished!

Then we can talk about important stuff.

Talked to one of my guys this morning, he had 2 trail cameras stolen over the weekend. $200 down the drain, just enough to piss off a feller, and he is.

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#25332 - 10/14/17 08:59 AM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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Well, nothing new about the shoplifting incident. But I wanted to talk about our trail cameras.

Biologist Teet's from the DNR stopped by the other day, I showed him some of my pictures, and he told me about what he'd been getting on his cameras.

We can start a new thread about "nuisance 4-wheelers" or such, but I'll tell you 4-wheelers should come with a label attached, something like this: "Private property is Private land. Operating this vehicle on private property without written permission may result in fines for trespassing, and/or a good ass whoopin." I'm sure that it happens everywhere, but folks around here are getting tired of people riding their buggies and 4-wheelers all over the place without permission.

Mr. Teet's told me that he'd been putting his cameras out, watching places where 4-wheelers are going around gates. Trespassing.

I just found out day before yesterday, another one of my friends had a trail camera stolen, the boy is only 17. That makes 4 trail cams that I know of that have been stolen, since this past spring.

The other day Frank invited me to read through Wisconsin's hunting regulations, (they are a mess), I noticed one thing back on page 35 about trail cameras. On Wisconsin's public lands, you are required to have your name and address permanently attached to the camera. That's a good idea.

I'll tell you how I have my cameras marked, I just put my last name, and have them numbered, 1, 2, 3 and 4. Next time that I check my cameras, I'm going to add another 1. So, they'll be numbered 11, 12, 13 and fourteen.

I have 3 of my cameras on the mountain south of town, it's all private land. Up at my "lured rock" camera, I've got pictures of 2 guys trespassing, I found out who owns the vehicle. I've met the guy.

But you know?, if someone would be stupid enough to steal one of my cameras, I'll bet they'd wonder where the other 10 cameras are located. I figure that would cause the average thief to become just a little bit paranoid.

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#25335 - 10/16/17 06:30 AM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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Guys, I'll tell you about a deal that is going on right now, and we'll develop a pattern.

A friend of mine, we'll call him Bud. Bud comes to me for advice from time to time, he knows that I'll trouble-shoot and lay it all on the line, and give him my honest opinion.

About 3 years ago, he told me that he was thinking about buying the carpet place. They sell carpet, tile and all types of flooring. It's been in business forever. Anyway, he ran the numbers past me, we talked for a while, and I told him that he'd better get down there and give them a down payment. A good bit of money was involved, he bought their vehicles, inventory, the whole works.

Bud moved the shop from one location to another, and the folks that did own the place agreed to stay on for 2 or 3 months, just to make sure things were running smooth. I'd stop by from time to time, just to check on things.

I stopped by one day, they had 3 employees on duty. Mr. R., and the Boy and the Girl. Mr. R is a good guy, he's retired and a good worker. He didn't have anything to do. The boy and girl, they didn't have anything to do. I'm not real familiar with the carpet business, but it's nice to have help when you need it. Otherwise the 3 of them were standing around scratching their butts. Figure, at $10 per hour each, that's a good bit of money down the drain.

I talked to Bud, not long after that visit, and told him that I'd get rid of all 3.

Mr. R., he retired again. The Boy and Girl, they quit, which was good for business.

I was here at work the other day, Bud and I were talking, he told me: "Let's go outside where we can talk." I was standing there leaning on my truck, listening, seems like "The Girl", she'd been offering "cash discounts". Sales that were made, without a receipt. Sales that were made. unknown to the carpet shop. Inventory missing, cash missing.

It just so happened, Bud bumped into one of his customers the other day. The man had already received and installed his flooring, the carpet shop doesn't have a receipt where he even bought anything. The man gave Bud a copy of his cancelled check, $2,600.00 and it's signed by "The Girl." That's a felony!

There are 3 people involved in the theft, "The Boy" (he's a convicted felon), "The Girl", and "The Girl's" Dad. I honestly don't think that the 3 of them know what's going on, or who they are messing with. But they will find out.

While Bud and I were talking the other day, I kept telling him, "I know. . . ,I know . . ., but you can't do that!" You suck up your loss, learn from your mistakes, and make damn sure it doesn't happen again.

All together Bud figures that he's lost over $10,000. They're taking inventory. But that's pretty tough for a small business.

I'll add more later.

While I have a chance I'll finish my comment above.

I'm not really surprised by the actions of "the Boy" or "the Girl", they're just stupid. But "The Girl's Dad", he knows how things work, and I'll tell you now, in the long run, it's going to cost him. He has a regular job, and does little side jobs for folks.

This all went on at about the same time, "The Girl's Dad" was working for another good friend, and some stuff "came up missing." Nobody knows for sure, somewhere around $500 worth of stuff is gone! The Girl's Dad is the only person that had access, pretty solid evidence.

You know what the problem was? They all had just a little bit too much freedom, too much headroom. Money makes people stupid. Like "the Boy and Girl", they weren't content standing around, getting paid 40 hours per week, they needed more.

"The Girl's Dad", I've always thought that he was a good guy, after this deal, I wouldn't trust him to feed and water my dog. That just shows how fast you can lose someone's respect. The worst part of this deal is that the man has lost 3 good friends. All because of a little bit of money. In the long run, he's lost a lot more.











Edited by redsnow (10/16/17 05:27 PM)

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#25411 - 10/18/17 07:58 AM Re: Asset Protection, Theft. [Re: redsnow]
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wow good reads. keep the true down to earth stories comming.

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