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#25577 - 12/03/17 09:52 AM My annual...
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Ohio bobcat:



I'm gettin' tired of turning these things loose.

Hal
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#25578 - 12/03/17 01:16 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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Well you need to quit setting those top banks on those waterway's then. One of the best cat travel ways.

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#25580 - 12/03/17 05:09 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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It took me 4 years of trying to finally connect with a 'cat! Now I know why. They like Hal better than me!

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#25581 - 12/03/17 10:43 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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Wisconsin currently has an on going cat study, supposedly to get a better understanding of the population here. Hopefully those in charge at the State level will realize, as a lot of hunters and trappers do, that the population could support more harvest tags. We're up to six or eight years of preference points now. Doesn't Ohio have such a program? Or is there anything on the table that would suggest such a program? Sure would ease your frustration.

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#25582 - 12/04/17 11:43 AM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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We were on the verge of getting a cat season then things went to hell at the DOW. Our furbearer biologist got her ass in a sling, then they had a political massacre among the top branches. Ain't nobody there worried about a bobcat season right now.
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#25583 - 12/04/17 11:43 AM Re: My annual... [Re: Utk1]
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Originally Posted By: Utk1
Well you need to quit setting those top banks on those waterway's then. One of the best cat travel ways.


I've set traps in that spot for 30 years. Many coyotes but this is the first cat.
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#25584 - 12/04/17 01:14 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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When you release an incidental catch, are you required to report it to the DNR? It is suggested, here, we should do that to help with the accurate appraisal of the species population. Might help with future decisions.

Frank.
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#25585 - 12/04/17 05:44 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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They ought to have a limited season at least to get a handle on the health/numbers of the population. Trappers would do all the work for them for free. It didn't take long for Kentucky to go from two to five cat limit and they're still collecting jaws from trappers.

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#25586 - 12/05/17 07:05 AM Re: My annual... [Re: Utk1]
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At least that one didn't try to play hide and seek under the buggy, Hal!

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#25587 - 12/05/17 10:03 AM Re: My annual... [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Originally Posted By: FLSH ETR
When you release an incidental catch, are you required to report it to the DNR? It is suggested, here, we should do that to help with the accurate appraisal of the species population. Might help with future decisions.

Frank.


It is certainly suggested that Ohio trappers report all incidental catches. We got an otter season by flooding the DNR with reports of incidental otter. However, most of those otter were dead in a 330. We had a real problem with that because many trappers thought they were going to get in trouble for catching an otter, so they'd throw them in the bushes. It was NEVER illegal to catch an otter in Ohio, it was only illegal to try to keep it. Same with cats. My neighbor has killed two of them trying to release them and he turned both of them in.

All that said, there must the a thousand pictures of cats on game cameras here in Ohio right now. Time for the trappers association to get on the stick and get us a season.
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#25592 - 12/10/17 04:54 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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Whew! I thought you were gonna say "Rectal Exam"!
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#25628 - 12/16/17 12:13 AM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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What is your most reliable method of release Hal?

Plywood?

Mike

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#25629 - 12/16/17 08:11 AM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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Well... For the novice, I recommend a plywood board with a notch in it.

However, I use a noose pole now. Having dispatched a number of cats with a noose pole, I know when to stop. If you choke them down about 30 seconds, they will pass out. You then have another 10 seconds or so to get the trap off and loosen the noose pole. Step back and in a bit they well come back around. (Weaving and bobbing like they are drunk for a minute.)
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#25648 - 12/19/17 01:18 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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There is an article in our 'The Wisconsin Trapper' magazine by the DNR furbearer research scientist, Nathan Roberts. In the article he updates what's going on with bobcat, fisher, and otter in our state. We are required to turn in the skinned bobcat carcass when the pelt is tagged primarily to age the animal. "The lower canine tooth is taken and sent to a laboratory for analysis. The tooth root is cut into discs. These discs are examined under a microscope for rings that indicate how many winters the animal has been alive-similar to how trees are aged." They also examine the reproductive tracts and estimate what the pregnancy rates are for each age group, and the associated litter size. It appears this methodology give them the age structure of the critters in the state. And I'm going to assume that they are also getting a fair look at the population numbers too. They are also doing the same aging technique on the fisher, but we only have to turn in the lower jaw for that. The river otter info is taken every three years, so the skull or carcass is not required to be turned in this season.

Frank.
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#25649 - 12/19/17 03:20 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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Here in NY, we have to turn in the lower jaw of Fisher. I wonder if they do the same thorough examination here as in your state?????

Ron

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#25665 - 12/23/17 09:45 AM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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My dad and I use a noose pole now too. It sure is hard to get that loop on sometimes. Those buggers have fast paws. Thatís also when Iím extra happy I short chain traps. Thatís a good picture of the cat and you.

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#25666 - 12/23/17 10:38 AM Re: My annual... [Re: bhugo]
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The trick I used is to hold a small branch with some leaves on it under the catch pole with the same hand you're using to hold the pole. Let the leaves hang below the loop and a little ways away from the cat. The critter will concentrate on the branch and won't know you have the loop around it's neck until you cinch the thing shut. Drop the branch and hang on! I used this method to dispatch the cat. I still use the plywood method to release incidentals cuzz I'm not that experienced at knowing when to loosen the catch pole.

Frank.
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#25667 - 12/23/17 12:03 PM Re: My annual... [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Originally Posted By: FLSH ETR
The trick I used is to hold a small branch with some leaves on it under the catch pole with the same hand you're using to hold the pole. Let the leaves hang below the loop and a little ways away from the cat. The critter will concentrate on the branch and won't know you have the loop around it's neck until you cinch the thing shut. Drop the branch and hang on! I used this method to dispatch the cat. I still use the plywood method to release incidentals cuzz I'm not that experienced at knowing when to loosen the catch pole.

Frank.


Iíll try that. Thanks.

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#25669 - 12/24/17 12:24 PM Re: My annual... [Re: Hal]
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Loc: Lucasville Ohio
I just pulled my K9 sets Monday . The last week I had them out I caught 3 bobcats , a double at one farm . These were caught in Pike county OH. My preferred method of release has been a notched board I carry . I took 3 1x12 x 40" I hinged so it carry's on my 4 wheeler well. It comes in handy to release the pit bull dogs / larger mean dogs that people run loose .

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