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#25671 - 12/25/17 10:11 AM New trapper advice on gear
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I have only been trapping a week had some interest but nothing yet. What are some tried and true lures and baits, I'm using gusto predator lure and caverns terminators bait. But I'm having more interest in fox urine alone.
The area I'm targeting mostly is a huge sawdust pile, surrounded by 50 yds of sawdust. It is a fox and coyote super highway. You experienced trapping would be killing em. You can see them chasing mice in the snow. I put a blind set over a log slab bridge and two traps at a scent post that i cabled to the post. My main issue is securing traps,it's all sawdust so i have been cabling to stumps. I'm using borrowed old # 2 dukes, if i do catch one i hope they hold. I had one step between my pan and jaw. Will this cold weather help or hurt. I see tons of fox and coyote sign everyday. Had a coyote circle dirt hole never commit. I know its only been a week, but I'm so excited to check my line everyday im awake at 3 in the morning, waiting. lol. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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#25672 - 12/25/17 12:04 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Patience.
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#25673 - 12/25/17 03:16 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Hal]
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Originally Posted By: Hal
Patience.


Yep. And don't go tracking up the area. Check stuff from as far away as you can.

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#25674 - 12/25/17 04:04 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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How much snow is to much we have 5" we are predicted to get lake effect 6-9" more, but temps will stay well below freezing so it should stay powder.

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#25675 - 12/25/17 05:29 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments...1221_152514.png

I know these are a good price, has anyone used them. I did see a made in China stamp which is somewhat of a deterrent. But they are cheap and my wife will kill me if i spend a hundreds on traps, given my fox and coyote catches of 0, lol

https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2017/12/full-34110-397479-fb_img_1513917822466.jpg



Edited by Trapperj (12/25/17 05:31 PM)

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#25676 - 12/26/17 08:17 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Those traps look okay to me, although I have not used them. If they are new, not many folks have.

Make sure your traps are not frozen down.
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#25699 - 12/29/17 10:18 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Hal]
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Registered: 12/03/02
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Loc: NE Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: Hal
Make sure your traps are not frozen down.


Sawdust sponges up moisture. It could be frozen and not allowing the trap to fire.

If your traps aren't frozen down. Then...

Patience.

Mike

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#25735 - 01/05/18 12:33 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Loc: Pa
Got my first fox today! coldest day of the year to, whats a good size fox nose to end of tail?

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#25736 - 01/05/18 02:30 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Atta boy!!!

Nose to tail doesn't mean squat. Weigh it.
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#25737 - 01/05/18 03:06 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Registered: 01/01/18
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Loc: OHIO
Nice!

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#25738 - 01/05/18 03:46 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Good for you! Congrats.

Now go get another! I hope you remade the set and made a new one nearby.

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#25739 - 01/05/18 07:27 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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That i did, i have 12 traps out with lure , urine, bait. An the only one i get action at is scent post. Its tough when snow is 1' deep.

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#25740 - 01/06/18 06:57 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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You got me laughing at 1 inch deep. If your trap and trap bed are set up properly, an inch of snow is not an issue - unless it is a solid crust.

If you want, take a broom and sweep away a large area of snow where your set is. Clear it away to bare earth and set as if there is no snow.

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#25741 - 01/06/18 07:05 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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1 foot, lol. Its skinned on a stretcher, when do i flip skin fur side out?

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#25743 - 01/06/18 03:04 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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A foot is a lot harder to deal with but it is very doable.

Flip the skin when it feels tacky. Be careful turning it back because fox rip fairly easily.

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#25744 - 01/06/18 03:52 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Registered: 12/24/17
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Loc: Pa
Any advice on good sets in snow? I'm thinking pipe set...


Edited by Trapperj (01/06/18 07:12 PM)

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#25745 - 01/06/18 07:33 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Snare! But you might not be able to do that in your state.

Never make a pipe set although I have been reading up on them lately. I'm guessing you mean the dream pipe set made popular by Mark Zaggerman?

In snow, when setting footholds for wolf, I only make urine post sets. My fox trapping with footholds is over once snow gets more than 6-8 inches deep.

You should try to keep your existing sets operational as long as possible.

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#25749 - 01/07/18 01:28 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Loc: Pa
I can use snare for a short season but need to go through a 6 hour course to get certified.

anyone around northwest pa know where to send fur out to get soft tanned, how long will the fur keep on the stretcher? It hasn't been treated with anything just defleshed and stretched. and with so many different opinions on salting and prepping i'm unsure.

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#25750 - 01/07/18 03:00 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Kudos on knowing PA "cable restraints" are nothing more than snares. Take the course when you get the chance.

Do not salt your hides. The hide will be okay on the stretcher until spring if you so desire. A lot of tanneries advertise in the major trapping publications.
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#25751 - 01/07/18 04:25 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Hal]
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Loc: Morgantown, West Virginia
Originally Posted By: Hal
Kudos on knowing PA "cable restraints" are nothing more than snares.


This brings up something that I have wondered from time to time. I would like to hear a response from somebody that has been "around the block" like Hal. Also, anybody else that has trapped multiple states. Is there actually a difference between a "cable restraint" and a "snare"? I was always of the assumption that if the cable used a relaxing lock, it was referred to as a "cable restraint," and if it had a non-relaxing lock, it was referred to as a "snare." There was a discussion over on Tman probably a little over a year ago about this, and the answers that were given were all over the place. Is "cable restraint" just a feel good word that states like to use, or is there actually a difference? Does it come down to whether entanglement is used to make it a lethal set? What is the distinguishing factor between the two, if there even is one? I wish I would have asked Slim Pedersen this question too when I talked to him in October, but I didn't think about it. I know in some states, "snare" is like a 4 letter word.

I'm not sure what PA's laws are, but I know in WV we must use a relaxing lock, and either a breakaway or a deer stop, but in our regulations, the cable is referred to as a snare. WV does not offer a class. I would like to go take the PA class sometime just to see what kind of information is given in it.

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#25758 - 01/08/18 10:36 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Dfabs]
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Originally Posted By: Dfabs
Is "cable restraint" just a feel good word that states like to use.


Yes, and it is dangerous precedent. Some folks really do have the impression that their snares are less lethal (in given situations)simply because they are called "cable restraints". Bad policy.

I virtually wrote the WV snaring regulations. There are an exact copy of the Ohio regs, with small differences for other WV trapping regulations. I was working with some "cable restraint" states, but I bowed out when I saw what they were doing. Here again those states have there trappers thinking that "cable restraints" are less lethal than snare, and they are not.
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#25759 - 01/08/18 01:33 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Hal]
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Thank you, Hal. That is exactly what I wanted to know. My snaring experience is pretty limited. I hang very little cable on land, although, I had some instruction from Eric Space and I have been using a lot of snares for mink in areas where theft is likely this year. Most of the land that I trap canines on is public land though, and even though we are allowed to use them there, I will not hang them on public land. I do set them in water though, and they work well for me in places where guys have pestered beaver with conis.

Also, I was unaware that you had a part in writing our laws. That is a pretty neat thing to be involved in. I am also very grateful that WV is one of the more lenient states when it comes to our laws. I would like to see them change the law that our traps cannot be more than 3ft off the ground though. That eliminates being able to set a lot of my better log crossings across creeks that have steep banks. Any idea why they want you 3ft or less where other states want you to be higher than that? I would think being higher up would be safer around people that are hunting with dogs. I have been playing around with laying my fisher boxes on the ground and using a foothold in front of them lately because I worry about a dog being able to reach my vertical cages. It seems like we are seeing a big increase in my area of guys running dogs the last few years for coyote, and those dogs don't see property lines.

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#25793 - 01/11/18 05:56 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Registered: 12/24/17
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Loc: Pa
I sure need some new traps i have old duke # 2 snapped nothing in it. Wasn't a deer because of location. The trap was standing straight up but stretched out. What should i do different?

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#25796 - 01/12/18 05:10 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Originally Posted By: Trapperj
I sure need some new traps i have old duke # 2 snapped nothing in it. Wasn't a deer because of location. The trap was standing straight up but stretched out. What should i do different?


Was there a catch circle at all, and was there any hair in the trap?

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#25797 - 01/12/18 05:25 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Registered: 12/24/17
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Loc: Pa
I couldn't find an sign, no catch circle either.

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#25799 - 01/12/18 09:57 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Loc: Qc.
Originally Posted By: Trapperj
I couldn't find an sign, no catch circle either.


Kind of tough to offer an opinion without facts. Stuff happens on the trap line. Reset the trap and remember that not every empty, snapped trap results in a learning experience.

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#25800 - 01/12/18 10:37 AM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: musher]
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Loc: Cudahy, Wisconsin,USA
Could be Tom Foolery by another trapper. Could be some one who doesn't appreciate trapping but is not a thief. Or are you on private land where you know for sure that no one else will have access to that area? Like Musher said, "need facts".

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#25801 - 01/12/18 03:31 PM Re: New trapper advice on gear [Re: Trapperj]
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Posts: 11
Loc: Pa
Just found a dozen dead geese dumped 10' from my property line, not very happy about it. What idiot would do that! They will never find him.....they must not be starving.....

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