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#25941 - 04/16/18 02:58 PM 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread.
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#25942 - 04/16/18 05:55 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#25943 - 04/17/18 05:03 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Looks like the gang is all there!

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#25944 - 04/17/18 06:34 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I checked the 3 mountain cameras 4/15/18, a total of 300 plus pictures.

This picture below is the last one of a deer with antlers. The cameras are in place, we'll watch the horns sprout out again.


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#25945 - 04/17/18 09:25 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Make that 'antler'. I blew up your pic to 500%. He's only got one antler remaining. You might get a pic of it falling off! grin

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#25946 - 04/17/18 11:31 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#25947 - 04/19/18 06:10 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#25948 - 04/19/18 08:58 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Redsnow--you should put a little stink under that rock in the lower, left corner that the Bear and Deer checked out. Next time the Bobcat or the Canine came through, it would be interesting to see if they checked it out, too. The way the Deer and Bear apparently sniffed it--my guess is that some critter already watered it down!!

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#25949 - 04/20/18 09:35 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Ron, look at the 2017 deer thread. I glanced at that thread yesterday, I think my pictures start on page 14 or 15. Before that I was using Photobucket, and then Photobucket went to hell on us. Without the pictures the thread isn't worth much.

I did lure those 2 rocks on the left side of the road, it's been 6 months since I've refreshed.

Most of my trail cam pictures are taken after dark. Never did really add up the total pictures, I'll guess I'm getting somewhere around 1,000 per month, total.

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#25950 - 04/21/18 05:26 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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RE: photobucket

The following works. I don't know how "safe" it is but it works. You can also turn it on/off at will. I copied it from a site that got it from a site. (What can go wrong!?)

You copy the link for your browser and follow the instructions. Easy-peasy and quick.

Here it is:


There are Free Add-Ons available for both Chrome and Firefox, which will let you choose to see the original photo instead of the "ransom block" image, throughout the Internet.

For Chrome - chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... aedg?hl=en

Then search for PHOTOBUCKET

for Firefox - addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/photobucket-fix/

With this, you can see everyone's old photobucket images in context on every thread and every website.

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#25951 - 04/24/18 10:48 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Not sure? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I tinkered around with the GoogleChrome thing this morning, more or less wasted 30 minutes to look at 3 of my pictures from the "2017 deer thread".

Here on my work computer, they don't show up now.

Seems like every time that I've used Photobucket, it really slows down the computer. Plus all of their popup adds, all of that junk.

Honestly, just looking at Photobucket as a business, if. . .If they'd offer a one time payment of say $25 to restore my pictures, I'd write them a check today. And I'll bet that a lot of other people would too.

Here on this forum we've had some good discussions, without the pictures, things are just hard to understand. Think about the threads with the honeybees and this and that, there was a good bit of effort put into the discussions. If you get right down to it, there was some very good information lost.

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#25952 - 04/25/18 05:04 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I used the Firefox one. Loaded it and all my stuff reappeared. It took seconds to do.

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#25953 - 04/25/18 09:47 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Redsnow do you have a treestand on the road where you get a lot of your pictures? Can't believe the variety of species you have on that camera. I'd call it the "zoo" camera.

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#25954 - 04/26/18 09:36 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: musher]
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Originally Posted By: musher
I used the Firefox one. Loaded it and all my stuff reappeared.


Yes, but only for you on your computer. Everyone else is still looking at that Photobucket place holder that appears in the place of all the photobucket photos.

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#25955 - 04/26/18 10:30 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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No, I haven't hunted from a treestand for better than 25 years. I like to move around.

The next time I check the mountain cameras, I'll take a picture of that area with my regular camera, would help to explain what's going on at the lured rock camera.

If you look at the pictures from the camera with the turkey, bobcat, bear, off to the left is a "rock slide", there is a ledge, maybe 50 feet tall in spots. Nothing can come or go in that area. Off to the right of the camera, there is nothing but rocks. Deer can't get through that area, until you go uphill 75 yards or so.

I zapped it with my rangefinder the other day, ridge to ridge, level, it's about 250 yards across that hollow (that's from the road).

I'll tell you about that turkey, that camera has been in place for a year, that's the first time I've got a turkey picture. I had 3 total. This time of year gobblers will spread out, find their own little area. I've showed that picture to several of my friends, my opinion, there is a very good chance the ole boy will end up in a bobcat turd.

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#25956 - 04/26/18 02:32 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: Hal]
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Originally Posted By: Hal
Originally Posted By: musher
I used the Firefox one. Loaded it and all my stuff reappeared.


Yes, but only for you on your computer. Everyone else is still looking at that Photobucket place holder that appears in the place of all the photobucket photos.



Quite true,but my computer is the one I 'm looking at! The link is not a fix all. Every individual has to download the add-on for themselves so that they can see their photos as well as the photos of others that have posted via Photobucket.

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#25957 - 04/26/18 03:01 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Long story short, Photobucket went to hell on us.

I'll try the firefox thing later.

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#25958 - 04/27/18 01:26 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: musher]
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Originally Posted By: musher

Quite true,but my computer is the one I 'm looking at! The link is not a fix all. Every individual has to download the add-on for themselves so that they can see their photos as well as the photos of others that have posted via Photobucket.


I'm not prepared to ask every user of this site to make that download. For the vast, vast majority of the photos in our archives, I took the time to download the photos to this site so they would be viewable in just such a situation as this. (Call it foresight if you will.) I did not make the archives dependent on Photobucket or any other hosting site. And I not prepared to institute a photobucket work around now. Any photos that do not seem to be archive material are (and will continue to be) expendable. If they disapper, then the whole thread can disappear, with no ill effect.
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#25959 - 04/30/18 06:28 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I checked the camera at Wardney's salt lick yesterday. From April 7th till the 29th, it had taken 395 pictures. Mostly nighttime pictures.

As well as I can tell, there are 4 buck deer running together. Still lots of fighting going on.



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#25960 - 04/30/18 03:59 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#25961 - 04/30/18 04:16 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#25962 - 04/30/18 04:23 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#25963 - 05/01/18 05:03 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Yours must be the only salt block around or else you have a healthy deer population. Great photos!

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#25964 - 05/02/18 06:32 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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In a way we have a healthy deer herd, it depends on where you are. I think it was 2 years ago the disease "Blue Tongue" killed a bunch of deer on the eastern side of my home county, Hardy Co. The DNR confirmed hundreds of dead deer. There were also a pile of dead deer found here on my side of the county too.

Our local deer population peaked back in the 80's, it's been in a steady decline since. Some of this is hard to believe, but years ago I could drive up on that hump on the McNeil farm, late in the evening and count over 100 deer from one spot. Up on the mountain where I have my "lured rock" camera, the first day of buck season, on a still, calm morning, you would hear over 100 rifle shots before Noon!

I could take you for a ride up the Fork, it wouldn't be anything special to count over 100 deer, between here and the county line. 25 miles. That was years ago.

It seems that our deer did bunch up, or yard up this year. Just about all of them are down along the river bottoms.

My #3 camera, up on the mountain, I haven't got a deer picture on it, for the last 2 checks. There are very few deer on that mountain. I'll have bear pictures on that camera next check. And I'm sure I'll have bear pictures on my lured rock camera too.

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#25965 - 05/02/18 07:15 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I was running short on time this morning, I'll try to fill in the holes.

Last fall I talked to a family that lives near the McNeil farm, that I mentioned above, we were talking about deer. I agree with them, on a good evening, mid summer, you'd be lucky to see a dozen or 15 deer. Big big change!

As far as driving up the Fork Rd and seeing 100 plus deer, that's a thing of the past.

As far as hearing 100 shots before Noon, on the first day of buck season, that's a thing of the past.

I'll tell you this real quick, maybe 15 years ago?, I was talking to my buddy Wardney and told him that we just didn't have the deer like we did have. Wardney, about half way argued with me, and said that they were still stacking them up.

I told him, sure you guys hunting down along the river bottoms are still seeing deer, get up in the mountains and see what you think. It's a whole different game!

Wardney and I talked, maybe 5 years later, and agreed with me. We don't have the deer along the river bottoms like we did before, not now.

Up where I have my "lured rock" camera, that property is only 440 acres, I remember years where there were 20 or 25 legal bucks harvested on that place. Bucks that I know of, and as far as I know there were 3 killed on the same property last season. Very big change!

The "lured rock" camera area, is unique, there are fields below and above, the property. When the sun comes up, the deer go to the woods. Very good hunting, or it was 20 years ago.

You see, back years ago here in WV, our deer license allowed each hunter, 1 buck deer. Then, doe permits were issued, so many per county, by more or less a drawing system. Today, I can buy 3 "Antlerless permits", for a rifle. Add in all of the additional licences for bow, muzzeloader, etc. If I'd buy them all I can legally harvest, 9 deer.

Long story short, we've shot the ass off of our deer for the last 25 years.

If you look at the pictures above, about half of the deer in that one picture are adult does, that should be heavy with fawns. So, our population should "rebound".

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#25966 - 05/03/18 04:49 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Are the females heavy with fawns?

Do you have more or less hunters? How about habitat?

In terms of deer hunting: what was better? The old days withn lots of deer/buck only/one deer orm now?

Thanks. Snow is melting here but I can't get into the bush now.

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#25967 - 05/03/18 09:15 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I talked to a local at my "up North" camp yesterday. He said that there is still several inches of ice on the logging roads, topped with a few inches of snow--and knee deep snow in the woods yet. However, the temps are now getting into the 50's and 60's F. there, so it won't be much longer until I can get into the woods. I do wonder how all the critters manage to have their young in such adverse conditions. Around home, people are mowing their lawns already.

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#25968 - 05/04/18 06:30 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Well, I talked to my Coke Cola guy yesterday, he's already seen a pair of fawns, just this week. Ricky and I talk more about outdoor stuff than we do soda. He lives in western Maryland. He also said he'd found 3 more shed antlers.

The hunting pressure in this area is way down from what it was years ago. Here at the store where I work, we sell hunting licenses, you get to meet the same folks year after year. You don't really know each other, but some of them I'll recognize, or by their address or their accent, etc.

In the past few years, I've had a lot of these non-residents come to me and say something like this: "Well, we talked about it at camp last night, we've hunted here for 20 years and this is the worst season we've ever had. Hell, we've got more deer at home, we're not coming back next year."

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#25969 - 05/05/18 06:36 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Well, the DOH guys from Grant co. stopped by yesterday, that's the county west of me. They were on the roadkill project, they picked up 3 yesterday. Said 1 doe had 2 fawns in her, he said they already had spots and were about 18" long. I think they have more deer than we do.

Talked to the DOH guy from Hardy Co the other day, he said they'd only picked up 1 roadkill this week, that was Thursday, I think.

As far as habitat, our woods are more open than they were years ago. One thing that I have noticed within the last 5 years, we have new oak sprouts coming up now. Small little trees, maybe 2 feet tall. It seems like before, the deer had trimmed off every little sprout and twig, from the ground up to around 5 feet high. I first noticed that in the county north of here.

We have places here where you can get an honest 150 or 175 yard shot, in the woods. Not talking about ridge to ridge shots, I mean on the ground. Other places, you're lucky to get a 15 yard shot. It just depends.

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#25970 - 05/06/18 05:40 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Wifey and I went for a drive to Timmys for a coffee after supper yesterday. We wanted to see the water level, which is close to as high as we want it, and maybe see a few deer.

We saw 9. This is in about a 50 km. drive. Some looked fine and others were all ribs.

I'd say the snow is half gone in the bush. You will see ground under all the trees but patches of snow up to 2 feet deep in the other spots. Pussy willows are trying to come out.

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#25971 - 05/06/18 09:24 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Your deer probably weigh 300 pounds.

A biologist told me that deer "winter kill" can occur into April and May. I was out for a walk last week, the dog came back to me covered in deer hair and stinky as hell. I didn't go looking for the carcass. Our deer season ended December 31st. So who knows?

Above you asked what's better, lots of deer or not so many deer. Hard question to answer! It depends.

A lot of folks around here were used to walking 50 yards from their truck, sitting on a rock from a little before daylight and killing a buck before 9 am. That does NOT happen as often as it did years ago.

I'll tell you this from years ago, it was a day that I'll never forget. A day that I'll never experience again in my lifetime.

I parked my old 78 Jeep on top of the mountain a little before daylight. I dropped off on the east side of the mountain and hunted south, worked my way back up to the top, and hunted on back north. I always like to find a good spot and watch, the last 45 minutes of daylight. I remember where I was watching, the old jeep was about a mile away.

I made a pretty good circle that day, all together I scoped over 6 different buck deer. 2 bucks were together, the other 4 were singles. I killed 1, once you kill it, you're finished!

I know of a man that hunted basically the same area this past season, from what I was told, he hunted up there for a week and didn't see a deer. Not 1 single deer.

I don't know how he "hunted", there are deer up there, just not like they were years ago. We don't have the people in the woods today, keeping the deer moving like we did before.

Thinking about this, if someone would ask me to take their kid out deer hunting, I'd never take him up on the mountain. That would be a big mistake, it'd be boring as heck for the kid. If I take a kid out hunting, I'm going to put him in the hot spots.

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#25972 - 05/06/18 03:08 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Above you asked what's better, lots of deer or not so many deer. Hard question to answer! It depends.


I'll weigh in on that. About ten years ago, deer were thicker around here than rats. People couldn't grow a garden without the deer eating it off. And no telling how much farmers lost to the deer. One fellow climbed up in his tree stand on opening morning and killed 7 deer before 10:00. That was totally illegal but they did not go to waste. The DOW finally recognized the problem and made the bag more liberal. Of course the "deer hunters" whined that they weren't seeing or killing so many deer. But they weren't the ones who had to live day-to-day with the damn things.
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#25973 - 05/07/18 06:36 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I checked camera 4 yesterday, 105 pictures, 7 days.

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#25974 - 05/07/18 11:04 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Deer are expensive, any way that you look at them.

As far as crop damage, from what I've ran into, and what farmers and DNR folks are telling me, we have more damage from bear today than we do deer. If the bear are in the corn field, the deer will stay out.

The DNR will issue "crop damage" permits for deer and bear.

As far as I know there hasn't been a deer in our garden for 10 years of more. Last fall there was a bushel of apples under the one tree, I think all of them froze and rotted.

Years ago I read some study or report about whitetail deer, as well as I remember it said that 75% of deer will die within 1.5 miles of where they were born. The deer here in the valley have an easy life, compared to the deer living at 3,000 feet in elevation.

Friends and I have talked about this, if we kill off all of our breeders on top of the mountain, it's going to be years and years before other deer move up there to replace them.

I'll add more later.

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#25975 - 05/07/18 04:00 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Here's a picture from yesterday. If the saltblock would be on the ground, it'd dissolve in a day or 2. Not sure how long it's been sitting on the stump? Months and months!



Long story and hard to explain, but years ago around here it was a joke, each and every year we had another "Record Deer Kill", according to the DNE.

A couple of us were talking to the local DNR biologist one day, and I told him something like this: You know as well as I do that we don't have as many deer today as we did 10 years ago! He said something like this: You're probably right, but you guys have been killing 3, 4 or 5 bucks every season! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

Trust me, he knew what was going on! What do you say?

I'll give you my take on the deer population, I first noticed the population dropped on top of the mountains first. Then it was down in the ridges, and now down along the river bottom.

If I was going to take out a kid, first time hunter, I'd take him to the river bottom.

If you remember from the 2017 deer thread, I mentioned some guys hunting a farm beside the river. Their theory is, kill all of the does that you want, don't kill any bucks unless it's a trophy.

Last season, as well as I remember, they killed 15 or 18 female deer, not a single buck. They passed up some small bucks.

Honestly, that farm/area that they were hunting was one of the best deer areas around these parts! We'll sit back and watch, but I'm going to guess, they will have very slim pickings this coming season! Our local deer harvest will be down again this coming year!

If you remove 15 adult breeders from an area, that's a good many deer total, after fawning season.

We will see.

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#25976 - 05/08/18 05:01 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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"If you remove 15 adult breeders from an area, that's a good many deer total, after fawning season."

And breeding bucks have no one to play with so they move on.

I find that, as a whole, big game hunters are very short sighted.

It is the same here with moose calves and female moose. It is as if they HAVE to kill something or the larder will be bare.

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#25977 - 05/11/18 06:35 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Some folks are like that. I know a guy, I'll tell you up front he's an outlaw, poacher, game hog, etc. He can't go out and enjoy a day in the woods, unless he kills something. If he doesn't kill something, he acts like he's pissed at the world.

Guys like him make the rest of us look bad. The DNR will nail him one of these days!

The DNR sets our bag limit, nearly all of the property in this area is privately owned. So the bag limit is up to the landowner, which is good.

Our game laws vary, depending on the county, or region of the state. Here in Hardy county, if I buy all of the different licenses, I can legally kill 2 buck deer, and 3 antlerless deer per season, that's just with a rifle. It's the same for residents and non-residents. I won't get into archery and black powder laws.

Within the last 5 or 10 years, about all of the local hunting clubs asked their members to back off on killing does. We have areas where the deer population is nearly the same as it was 20 years ago, and we have other areas, where the deer population is very small.

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#25978 - 05/11/18 07:48 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Here in the Finger Lakes region of New York, it is mostly farm country, along with a zillion housing tracks. When I was a kid on the farm, [ the 50's ] Dad would drive the tractor back home to announce that he just saw a deer!! It was a rarity to see one. Now, they feed like cattle in the mornings and evenings in the corn, soybean and hay fields. There are so many that a few years ago, the local government had a "bait and shoot" program in one area to eradicate as many deer as possible, until the deer lovers complained so much that it was ended.

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#25979 - 05/12/18 01:45 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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...nearly all of the property in this area is privately owned. So the bag limit is up to the landowner...


Man, I've never heard of that before. So if the landowners says you can kill 10 deer, you can just start dropping them?
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#25980 - 05/12/18 03:45 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: Hal]
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Finally got this thing to accept my pics. Changed cameras. Both cameras are identical to each other, but purchased a couple of months apart. Pics from one can't be loaded here. Seems this one plays nice with the site. Here's a couple of different critters working the area. Had whitetails here with snow on the ground but they seem to have disappeared with the snow. I'll stay vigilant.

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#25981 - 05/14/18 06:18 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Well, I checked the camera at Wardney's salt lick yesterday. I had 157 pics, that was a 7 day check. We've had some very strong winds off and on, I had more "empty" pictures than normal. Blowing the tree limbs around, setting off the camera. The camera is mounted on a cedar tree, I hate to cut that limb out of the way, my camera would stick out like a sore thumb.

This is the best daytime picture, I think the one buck has about 3 inches of horn so far.



"Man, I've never heard of that before. So if the landowners says you can kill 10 deer, you can just start dropping them?"

No, that's not what I meant. Anyone hunting on private land needs the landowner's permission. If the landowner tells you not to kill female deer, you'd best not kill any females.

The property I mentioned above, where the guys killed 15 or 18 does last season, that was up to the landowner. He could have told them to back off. I know the man, I expect him to tell his guys to cut them some slack before long.

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#25982 - 05/14/18 02:37 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Lots of fighting going on.


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#25983 - 05/18/18 06:36 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#25986 - 05/20/18 07:10 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I checked the 3 mountain cameras yesterday, it had been 34 days since I'd changed sd cards. All together a total of 574 pictures. Had a bunch of "empty" pictures on camera #2, that camera is up high on the west side of the mountain, a couple of the storms that we've had lately, had wind gusts up to 50 or 60 MPH.

Lots of bear pictures, picture of a bobcat's butt, 1 coyote picture. Several coon pics, one pic of a gray fox and coon, nearly nose to nose. Who knows what happened after that?






Biologist Teet's stopped by the other day, we had a good talk. I really hadn't noticed it, but most of our deer still have their "winter coat". We had a really good acorn crop last fall, we still have good acorns laying on the ground, sprouting. And we've got a bunch of little oak trees, 6 inches tall coming up.

Mr Teet's said it's like we had more acorns than critters to eat all of them.

I'll add more pics later.

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#25987 - 05/20/18 08:13 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#26016 - 05/28/18 06:31 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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I checked the camera at Wardney's salt lick yesterday, in 2 weeks time it'd taken 250 plus pictures. Nearly all of them are night time pics. As well as I can tell the adult does are still heavy with their fawn(s).

Didn't really have any good buck pictures, the one buck has about 4" of antler so far, about 2/3's as long as it's ear.

Notice how they've got the mud stirred up.




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#26017 - 05/29/18 06:24 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#26034 - 06/10/18 08:31 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#26036 - 06/11/18 05:54 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#26037 - 06/13/18 06:39 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#26040 - 06/17/18 08:26 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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#26042 - 06/17/18 01:48 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Reckon those bears are eating many of your fawns?
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#26043 - 06/17/18 06:45 PM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: Hal]
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Reckon those bears are eating many of your fawns?



Every one they find, as well as any beaver out of the water

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#26044 - 06/18/18 06:41 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Yes, I agree that bear kill quite a few fawns. And I'm sure that the coyotes and bobcats are hunting them pretty hard now too.

I did see my first fawn yesterday, it was about the size of a house cat, just a little bit taller. It wasn't very steady on it's feet.

The mailman and the guys on the trash truck first reported seeing fawns about 3 weeks ago. So give or take, around the 1'st of June.

We've had some wet weather, folks around here are just now starting to make hay. Talked to a man that started cutting hay last Friday. Nobody likes to talk about stuff like this, and I would have never asked if we weren't good friends. I'm not sure how many acres he mowed off, but 5 fawns got caught in his mower. Those guys have some big equipment, and he told me that he was running 8 or 9 MPH. He didn't see a single fawn, just felt it when they hit the rollers.

Just one of those things, there's nothing you can do. You've gotta make hay when the sun shines.

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#26045 - 06/21/18 06:43 AM Re: 2018 Deer Antler, Fawn growth Trail camera thread. [Re: redsnow]
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Well, I'm still getting reports from the folks making hay.

Above where I said "Those guys have some big equipment", the man is running a 150 horsepower 4-wheel-drive tractor, pulling a disc-bine that's 13 feet, 6 inches wide. Without getting my calculator, running at 8 or 9 MPH, he can mow an acre of hay in a matter of minutes. In my opinion, those guys are the most efficient farmers in this area.

Talked to a man working another river bottom farm, he said he was right on average (fawn count), compared to past years.

Talked to another bunch working a farm at the base of the mountain, they've not found a single fawn. So they are below average.

Running short on time this morning, wanted to add that there was an adult doe picked up on June, 16th with 2 unborn fawns.

But the majority of fawns should have been born.

But these guys make hay, year after year, on the same property, so that should be a pretty good indication of what's going on. I do the same with fox, coon and rabbits. Coyotes and all.

I will add this, for anyone not familiar with making hay. An adult deer standing in a hay field, here in late June, the only thing that you can see above the grass would be their head and maybe part of their neck. A fawn, ten pounds or so, you just can't see the little turd.

I'm familiar with these farms, there's a little bit more to the story, and I'll be getting more reports.

I'll check cameras, 2, 3 and 4 maybe this weekend. Hopefully we'll have something interesting.





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