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#27408 - 02/22/20 12:01 PM Plowed in, plowed out!
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We had a couple of 20" snowfalls since the first of the year in NE Wis. Made it in first time but had to get plowed out. Pushin' snow with my front bumper, backing up to shovel, then forge ahead three more feet to do again, and again ain't fun. Called ahead the second visit and was drive able from the start. No complaints though, cuzz I still love winter. Hey, no skeeters!!

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#27409 - 02/22/20 02:53 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Nice cabin.
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#27412 - 02/23/20 05:25 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Good looking cabin.

Where is the chimney?

Seeing that you didn't shovel the roof clean, I am guessing that your snow season is near the end.Is this a "normal" year?

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#27415 - 02/23/20 11:22 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: musher]
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Thanks all for the compliments. If I find some inside pics I'll post them. This thing is just one room, 16X16 with two 10ft covered porches. Built in bunks sleep four, five with a cot. If you dial in on the roof of the second pic, halfway between the rear corner and the window on the left you'll see a shiny dome. That's the top of the UL listed assemble chimney that penetrates the roof structure. If you look further to the left, you'll see the top of the solar panel located on the front side of the roof, facing south. I don't clean the snow off of the roof. I've designed it above the building code requirements for snow loading. Not at all worried about structural compromise. And here, there's no such thing as a normal winter. I'm told that last year, at this time, maybe two years ago, we had 70*. And it has snowed in May. So don't know what the weather will bring. But right now, no skeeters or ticks!!

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#27417 - 02/23/20 04:15 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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That is a very nice camp. At first look, wasn't sure if it was log, then I noticed the joint between the windows, was kind of thinking 16 feet square.

Carpenter friend of mine just stopped, was telling me about that style of siding. He called it a sport siding, I think? Said it was mixed with cedar chips, had a lifetime guarantee. $50 per sheet, special order. Darned if I know. It looks very nice!

Let me ask, the camp is in a cold zone, what do you have 6 or 8 inch insulated walls? Double pane windows, and can heat the place with a small fire. But very nice camp!

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#27418 - 02/23/20 04:39 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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Wanted the look of a log cabin. Curb appeal, don't ya know. Siding is 4X8 sheets of plywood called reversed B&B placed horizontally. Did the same on the inside. Walls are conventional 2X4 stick construction. Open truss construction. Cathedral ceiling trusses have 2X6 top cords. Thermal pane windows. Didn't spend too much on creating insulated structure cuzz am not LIVING there. 4" insulation in the walls, 6" between trusses. For now, am heating with a barrel heater, but next Saturday (I hope) will be picking up a used Vogelzang wood burner. Cast iron should retain the heat much longer over night.

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#27419 - 02/23/20 10:38 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Northeast corner
Southeast corner
Southwest corner
Northwest corner
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#27420 - 02/24/20 08:10 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Very nice! Good looking kitchen area, I see the gas stove, was wondering about cooking.

Can't tell, concrete floor? Nice looking table too.

I see a lot of camps around here where folks have an old refrigerator sitting on the porch, makes a good place to keep pop and beer so it won't freeze up and bust, unless it gets blue cold.

Just looking the place over, I don't see anything inside really valuable, that's a good thing. Never know, might be best to keep the window blinds open. You just never know when some goofball will come along snooping.

But it sure does look quiet, with that 20 inches of snow on the roof.

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#27421 - 02/24/20 11:25 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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Yea, we live out of coolers. No electricity for a fridge. If it gets too hot or too cold, we'll bring the coolers inside. Otherwise they'll be outside in the shade. If you'll look at the top pic, you'll see a trap door looking thing next to the lower bunk. Had the concrete dude frame in an opening when he poured the concrete slab. I dug straight down a couple of feet and lined the dirt walls with pressure treated plywood. Put a plastic grate in on the floor, and insulated the lid with extruded polystyrene foam insulation, all just as an experiment. Turned out good enough. Stays in the 50s down in there. Good enough for a couple bottles of premixed long island ice tea! However, it's really moist down in there.

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#27423 - 02/24/20 02:51 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Down home we call that a cellar.
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#27424 - 02/24/20 03:45 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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I used to be part of a fishing club that had a snow cooler. It was a hole in the ground with 4 mattresses as walls. In winter, someone would could up and fill it with snow and pack it down. With some straw and an insulated carpet on top, we had snow in August.

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#27430 - 02/28/20 06:55 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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I remember seeing pictures of the snow pit, never heard about it being lined with mattresses.

Above where I mentioned the old fridge sitting on the porch, they are just a cooler. Not plugged in and no electric. Just a place where you can keep stuff, mice can't get to it, and it'd need to get cold before stuff will freeze and bust. But you guys have a much colder winter than here where I live.

I know of other camps where they'll have a small generator sitting out back, with like a dog house built around it. More or less to muffle the noise.

I was out on a construction site not long ago, the guys had a piece of plywood leaned against their gasoline power air compressor. It was a small compressor, portable machine, that sheet of plywood made a world of difference, blocking the noise.

Sure beats standing there on top of the machine listening to the thing hammer all day.

But with a small generator, you could run stuff like a microwave or toaster or coffee pot. Charge up batteries. It all depends on what you call camping.

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#27431 - 02/28/20 09:55 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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I've got a 2500 watt generator/inverter at the ready. Use it to charge up my cordless screw guns, run the air compressor, or any corded tools I might need. But I'll never run the camp with it. When you can hear a man slide his hand in and out of his pants pocket, any motor noise is just that--NOISE!!!! I've worked around generators and air compressors hammering all day. And yes, the plywood does help, but it ain't gonna be needed in my camp. wink

Frank.


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#27433 - 02/28/20 07:24 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Well, good. Nothing like peace and quiet.

Not sure, maybe it's just because I'm getting older, but I sure do appreciate quiet.

I like to listen to birds chirp and all, but it's nice to hear nothing. I can't hear that well anyway, when I hear a bird, it's nearby. I've been seeing robins out back for a week or so now. Spring is just around the corner.

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#27434 - 02/29/20 05:22 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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We got another foot of snow the past 2 days. Judging by the trail I saw yesterday, it is up to a moose's belly. I have deer trails in the yard as the animals are hugging homes.

If you want quiet, winter will serve you. All that snow muffles sound.

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#27435 - 02/29/20 07:43 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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I hate to say anything, Knock on wood, we haven't had a foot of snow here in the valley this winter. Honestly, we've not had any winter. Some cold days, down below the teens, but it's been very mild. We are long overdue!

I've got a guy that comes over and farts around for me, he called that one morning that we did get a little dab of snow. Told him that I'll already pushed it out of the way. It was putting it down pretty good, for 3 or 4 hours, and that was it.

Here at work, I try to keep my sidewalk clean and all, I've only used salt and deicer 4 or 5 times this winter. We had snow flurries about all day yesterday, but just didn't amount to anything. We're below freezing now, but it's dry as a bone.

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#27437 - 03/03/20 09:36 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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In keeping with the snowy theme of this thread, check out this pic. You're looking at the NE corner of a picnic table. I've been tossing mouse carcasses there, maybe four or five, thinking I'll grind them up on my next visit. Well the snows beat me to the visit. The sun doesn't shine much
there, but there seems to be either melting, or a visit from a snooping/sniffing critter. If a critter was there, it left the mice, as visible in the pic. The question is will decomposing mice create that much heat to melt out that much snow? Any 'rotologists' out there?

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#27438 - 03/03/20 12:53 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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We haven't even buried the grass with snow yet this season. It's getting warmer all the time.
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#27439 - 03/04/20 05:49 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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We got 8 or 9 inches last night. It is a wet snow that is still coming down. While wet snows are pretty, they are a real pain to shovel and they are tough on the trees. It can be tough on the wires, too.

We've had snow fleas appear the past few days.

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#27440 - 03/05/20 06:36 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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That is a good snow picture. I'm looking at the different streaks or layers, places where it's more or less dense. I'm not sure if it was all one snow, but a small temperature change and it'll be different.

It's none of my business or anything, but I think we need to get those mice off of the picnic table.

Dark objects absorb more heat from the sun than light colored objects. Notice the weed stems behind the table, I'm sure the wind has flicked them around and all, but even that little stem will absorb heat and melt snow. Now and then you'll see it in the woods, the timber will absorb enough heat to melt the snow around the trunk of the tree.

About the same as a log sticking up through pond ice. You've all seen the ice over a beaver's feed pile, that's the last place the ice freezes and the first place where it's rotten and unsafe to walk on.

I read about this years ago, I forget how many inches of snow that sunshine will penetrate. It's at least 8 or 10 inches. It may be feet?

If you'd really want to experiment, take a handfull of pocket change and sprinkle it out across the top of the snow on the picnic table. Melting through 20 inches of snow, it wouldn't surprise me if a Penny would move 6 inches or more from vertical.

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#27441 - 03/05/20 09:00 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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Yeah, would be nice to rid the table of rotting mice. But won't be going up for a couple of months. Frost will be coming out of the ground soon and that makes for some really muddy rutted up travel to the camp. Am busy now anyway manning the WTA booth at the Milwaukee Sports Show. Besides, that table is in the low spot between a natural hillside and plowed snow. Used the zoom on the camera to capture that pic from about 30 ft away. If I were to accidentally slide into that void under the table, I'd be eating them mice till the snow melted!!

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#27443 - 03/08/20 09:05 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Well, hopefully a raven or something will find the mice carcasses and at least knock them off of the table. If you haven't already, now would be a good time to start the list for camp supplies. Better take another jug of bleach, green scrubbing pads, table cloth. Add a bottle of Spray Nine, heavy duty cleaner/degreaser too. I've never used Spray Nine on mouse residue, but it's good stuff.

You know, just looking at the camp, looks like it's sealed up tight around the windows and doors. It's on a concrete pad, how are the mice getting inside?

Liquid Nails or that spray foam stuff may eliminate the mice for good? Or are you catching the mice in the outhouse or another building?

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#27444 - 03/08/20 06:55 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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The cabin is pretty much air tight. When all the windows are closed, you have to lean on the door to close it. No, these rodents came from the RV camper. Either inside, or outside near the wheels. I foamed all the small openings I could find where I thought they might be coming in.
However there are places in the camper where mice could have already built a nest. Under cabinets, in the wall cavities, etc. Got four traps set inside now, so might find mice in the traps when I return. I'll happily deal with any mess later, as long as I have properly evicted them.

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#27445 - 03/09/20 06:42 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Ok, I thought maybe I was missing something from the story.

You haven't said, did you get the new cast iron wood stove? I'm not familiar with that brand of stove, but I assume it'll have a flat surface where you can cook or at least warm up stuff. It'd be nice to keep a pot of water simmering, for washing up and all.

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#27446 - 03/09/20 10:50 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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Got the wood burner on the way up to camp. Managed to off load it with chain and pulley. (175#s) Vogelzang is a common name, made in China now. Will install when weather doesn't dictate wood heat. Will have to get used to adjusting the thing for comfortable temps, but if it just doesn't work out, I'll just put the barrel heater back in.

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#27447 - 03/09/20 02:13 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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I think you will be well satisfied with that stove. Especially for the fact that you can cook on top of it.
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#27448 - 03/09/20 02:30 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: Hal]
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Yup, and I believe I have that special kind of cast iron skillet that fits into the lid holes to cook in. I'll expect to burn a few meals and over heat the cabin until I master the damper control. I'll figure it all out.

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#27449 - 03/09/20 03:59 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Actually, you don't have a special skillet. All those old cast iron skillets were designed to fit in the eye of a stove. Miz and I cooked on a wood stove for ten years. We actually had an "eye" that was a series of concentric rings that would adapt to different size skillets. Pop the eye out, set the skillet in, and you'll have a hot skillet in a matter of minutes. Too hot? Take in off and move it to the edge of the stove. Fry your breakfast, and enjoy!!!
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#27450 - 03/09/20 04:22 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: Hal]
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Oh yeah, I can taste the spam and eggs already! I found the pan I thought I had. Wagner Ware of course. The pan sides actually hang down outside a touch past the bottom of the pan, forming a small lip. I thought it special for such a wood burner?? About eight inches in diameter at the bottom. Can't wait to scrutinize for compatibility.


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#27454 - 03/14/20 07:21 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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Well, it's a nice looking stove. It's kind of hard for me to get a feel for the thing from just a picture, but it's not very big is it?

I'm just trouble shooting. Frank, you're a tall man, looks to me like you're going to be on your knees tending the firebox. Reading between the lines, I get the impression that you're not 100% sold on the stove either.

The first thing I'd try is setting the stove on 4, 8-inch solid cinder blocks. That should make it more comfortable to work with, but the bad side, you're not going to get as much heat on the floor. It's heavy enough, nobody is going to bump into it and knock it off.

Thinking about your camp, once it gets warm inside, it won't take much to keep it warm. And every time the door opens, out goes the hot air and the cold rolls in. I know that you've thought about this before and maybe it's a future project? But it wouldn't take much to frame up one of the porches and box it in. That would help with that blast of Arctic air and give you another 10 x 16' area. But, it's very nice now.

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#27456 - 03/14/20 09:28 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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Thanks for the advice. We're taking a knee now to fuel the barrel heater, so it won't be a big deal with the Vogelzang. If we find that it should be installed on some sort of brick or block, we can always lift it and shorten the smoke pipe. As far as framing in the porches, they've been designed for that. However, it ain't currently on my radar. To tell you the truth, that blast of cold air when the door get opened feels and smells good. And remember we use the cabin all year, so a breeze coming through the screen door is required during a hot summer day. Actually, I've got another solar panel on order, and will install a second 12V battery to the system. That might be able to power a fan to circulate the stagnant air for more comfort. And again, we don't live there, just visit for a week or so. Can put up with a little discomfort for that amount of time. And, I'll take too hot or too cold over bugs any day! grin

Frank.
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#27458 - 03/15/20 07:56 AM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: FLSH ETR]
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I'll be. I'd never noticed the short legs on the barrel stove. Honestly, the only barrel stove I've ever had my hands on was the one the guys used in the King's house. It was a double barrel, with the top barrel more or less an extension of the flu pipe. I guess it worked ok? I never did see it working. But I was looking over top of your barrel stove. Add knee pads to the list.

I think about your Up North Camp as a place for hunting and trapping, cold weather, and never once considered bugs.

Just looked outside to check the weather, it's 35* here with rain/sleet, ice on the vehicles. Just heard there was 3 inches of slush at Mount Storm, WV. Thinking, during hot summer nights, sitting outside on the porch is almost a daily routine for me. Get off work, eat supper and sit outside for a little bit. It usually cools down pretty good here at night. I can turn off my dusk/dawn lights, then you can see the sky better. And cuts down on the bugs too. Those bugs you're talking about would be hard to handle.

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#27550 - 04/24/20 01:52 PM Re: Plowed in, plowed out! [Re: redsnow]
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Got back to camp last week where social distancing is measured in miles! Snowed again but melted quickly. When the picnic table became clear, the mice carcasses were gone! Ah, but look what was uncovered, that I forgot I put there. Was supposed to be a show and tell for the grandcubs.

Got the second solar panel installed, and two new batteries inside. My son's CPAP machine worked all night long with lots of voltage to spare.

Split a face cord of firewood, but very wet. Had to talk to some to get them to throw heat, but managed to figure it out enough to be comfortable.


Frank.
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