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#4146 - 10/05/05 07:58 AM Sarcoptic Mange
Coy-Dog Offline
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Ransomville,N.Y
Just wondering if any of you trapper,s have seen any mange in your part of the country.I seen one very badly manged fox last week.It sure can mess your season up.

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#4147 - 10/05/05 08:29 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
hatch Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 48
Loc: ny
i know someone that told me he trapped a couple yote's last year that had it now he has seen a bunch he shoots them and buries them. i've never seen any proof though

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#4148 - 10/05/05 10:10 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
Carhartt Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 4
Loc: Western PA
Here in western PA, I have seen mange on several red and grey fox that either me or my buddies have trapped. But its never been too bad, usually just small patches. I have seen two live red foxes missing almost all of their fur, but I'm not sure if it was actually mange.

~Carhartt

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#4149 - 10/05/05 02:29 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
A few years ago, a buddy and I had gotten a couple reds in South Eastern Pa.that had mange. One of the ones he got had no tail fur at all. I had gotten one that had a large patch on its back. I haven't seen any like that since then however and I hope I never do.

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#4150 - 10/05/05 06:23 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
Last season a fellow i know caught 7 coyotes the opening week of the season and 2 had the mange-all 7 came out of the same area.Why 2 had it and the rest didn't i don't know.I trap the next farm over from him and none of the ones i got had it.

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#4151 - 10/05/05 07:19 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
SilverFox92O Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Paul Smith's College
i had to put down a red fox this summer that had mange preatty bad that was about early june. . . . .now i dunno if i am going out on a limb or not but this is the most cases of mange i have heard of in a long time does anyone think that we might have a small problem? also a good topic to ask is what is the best way to dispose of an animal with mange? i took care of mine by burying it and i never touched it.

Nick

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#4152 - 10/05/05 07:46 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 08/01/05
Posts: 102
Loc: Hillsdale NY
I would probably turn it into the board of health. I found a dead fox in the woods and my dad took it there. They dispose of it and run tests on it so i think its the best way to go.

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#4153 - 10/05/05 08:15 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Ransomville,N.Y
Mange as i understand is transmitted when animals are over crowded as far as that go's any disease.It's seem to be the same with distemper.I Don't skin them real bad, that is they have to have all there hair except for most of the tail.I ALWAYS WEAR GLOVES !!Best to bury the animal deep so it is not to easy to dig up.I have people tell me that they think they seen a rabid coon in thier back yard when 98% of the time its distemper.

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#4154 - 10/06/05 03:32 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
stu Offline
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Registered: 12/10/03
Posts: 141
Loc: Cordova Maryland
It's a problem in Maryland . Some places you will catch 2 mangy foxes to every one that is good . It seems to be more ,where they are overpopulated.

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#4155 - 10/06/05 12:05 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
In the area I was referring to in Southeastern Pa., there are a bunch of Horse back fox hunters who chase foxes with dogs. I know that they bring in live foxes that they purchase, and turn them loose, so that, in their minds, they add to the population. I've often wondered what impact this would have on the local fox population as far as disease goes. If only they could understand the dis-service they are doing.

These people know nothing about the animals they are illegally importing or where they came from. The political positions some of these people hold keeps them out of trouble with authorities for what they are doing. I'm not trying to get off topic here, but I wonder if this might contribute to the problem in areas where this type of thing occurrs. If a fox with a case of mange, no matter how light the infection, is relocated to an area where mange is not present, isn't it most likely that the fox could be infecting other animals in the area, even if there is not an overpopulation issue.

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#4156 - 10/07/05 07:34 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Ransomville,N.Y
Transporting any animal always has concern for disease.High population and over crowding cause's parasites and diseases.A red fox will den when having a litter if that den has been used before by a manged fox that fox will become infected and in return pass her disease off to her young.From then on its just a matter of time.As i have been told some diseases such as mange and distemper can infect the ground up to two years. I've never have seen a gray fox with mange.maybe because thier fur is to course.

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#4157 - 10/07/05 08:08 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3670
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
Just to clarify a point.Mange is not a disease."Mange" is the visiable result of a parasitic infestation.Grey fox are not susseptable to mange because they are not suitable hosts,nothing to do with there fur

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#4158 - 10/07/05 09:52 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Ransomville,N.Y
Well maybe i could be mistaken but listed under Disease control mangement its listed along with DISTEMPER and RABIES which threatens human life.As far as gray fox not being suitable hosts my understanding is because of the courseness of thier fur and diffrence in thier environment.

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#4159 - 10/07/05 11:57 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3670
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
I stand corrected,on the disease comment.Mange,the condition resulting from an infestation of sarcoptic mites is a disease by deffinition.The loss of fur or hair is one of the more visiable symptoms of such an infestation.

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#4160 - 10/07/05 12:59 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 683
Loc: CORRALES, NM
I doubt that fur quality in unto itself has much to with why Gray fox don't get mange. The Gray fox is outside of the host range for these mites. Think of immune system components, either innate or acquired; I'd put my money on innate features...basic biochemial composition of the Grays...genetics and all.

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#4161 - 10/07/05 03:19 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
Tom: How long would an "infested" den harbor these mites without a host.

confused -- Hal
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#4162 - 10/07/05 10:20 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 683
Loc: CORRALES, NM
I don't know. I wonder what sort of dormancy features these things have. Most stages of the life cycle, if not all are host associated. Once the host is gone the mites die rapidly. There probably are some weather related exceptions, e.g. rapid and low temperture freezes. I'll see if I can find some info on the survival rates absent a warm host. I'm guessing hours too days.

There are a number of "incomplete" hosts; man for example. Humans with intact immune systems can harbor the mites but APPEAR to inhibit completetion of the reproductive cycle. Therfore, in healthy man, infestation is only a locatized and limited disease. In immunocompromised individuals sarcoptic mite infestations have resulted in death. My point being if there was a warm mamalian body around the den to "provide shelter" so to speak the mites my survive much too somewhat longer.

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#4163 - 10/07/05 10:46 PM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
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Registered: 04/03/02
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Loc: CORRALES, NM
OK I'm back from the library. The best information I have at hand indicates that gravid females (the longest free living forms of the creature) may survive,"away from the host for extended periods of as long as two days". This data is for Sarcoptes scabiei var hominis; the human variety of S.scabiei. It is possible that other varieties have different survival kinetics. I doubt that any increases in longevity would approximate an order of magnitude.

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#4164 - 10/08/05 07:19 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
Itrapny Offline
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Registered: 10/24/04
Posts: 21
Loc: Marcy, NY

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#4165 - 10/08/05 08:03 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange
Otterwater0566 Offline
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Registered: 02/01/04
Posts: 440
Loc: Austin, AR
I trapped some coon and a yote or two with what appeared to me to be the mange. These animals were on the borderline of a large trailer park area with lots of free roaming dogs. Caught several really nice reds in same area and a few coons that still had tail fur. One of my dogs is half chow and half yote and she got it but the other two dogs with less yote blood did not??? Anyhow, after several treatments with Ivemec, her hair is slowly coming back...I handled manged animals with disposable gloves and put them in a burn pile for disposal, and boiled and dipped the affected traps.

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#21750 - 12/13/14 11:38 AM Re: Sarcoptic Mange [Re: Coy-Dog]
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