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#5867 - 02/20/06 09:15 PM 120 for coon
ratsnatcher Offline
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Registered: 01/19/06
Posts: 40
Loc: Verona
i have read that some people use 120s for coon in cubbys, but the thing is you have to suitcase them to kill them. i wasnt sure weather or not to try the 120 for a coon or stay with my 160s.and i was wondering how to get it so i can suitcase the coon.

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#5868 - 02/20/06 09:57 PM Re: 120 for coon
bblwi Offline
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Registered: 07/31/00
Posts: 288
Loc: Kiel, WI
My preference would be to stay with the 160s as they are a more versitle trap for more situations and species. I also feel that suitcasing coons with a 120 would be a low % of your catches and thus you may not achieve your goals of having a quick and humane kill.

Bryce

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#5869 - 02/20/06 10:00 PM Re: 120 for coon
RiverOtter Offline
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Registered: 02/27/05
Posts: 646
Loc: Monashee Mtns, British Columbi...
You don't need to "suitcase" a coon to kill it. If a coon sticks its head into a 120, its game over. A behind the ears catch with a decent springed body gripper is bad news for any critter.

One problem with the 120 sized body grips for coon, especially in cubbies, is the small opening. They're not as inviting as a 160/220 and the coon is more likely to try and reach into the cubby to remove the obstruction(120) and get hit on the paw.

RO smile

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#5870 - 02/20/06 10:52 PM Re: 120 for coon
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Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 11
Loc: Harrison County, Missouri
Here in Missouri 120 is the biggest trap I can legally use out of the water. Until I seen this article I didn't even know a 120 could kill a raccoon so I never thought about setting bucket sets for them w/ 120s. If I live in a state where thats the only trap I could use for a bucket do you think it would work very well for me? I have always wanted to try a bucket set, but could, because I didn't think I had a trap that was legal to set in one that could kill a raccoon.

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#5871 - 02/20/06 11:38 PM Re: 120 for coon
RiverOtter Offline
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Registered: 02/27/05
Posts: 646
Loc: Monashee Mtns, British Columbi...
Before this gets off tangent, I want to be clear that I don't target coon with 120's. There are far better traps. Most of my 120 coon catches are in sets intended for mink.

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#5872 - 02/20/06 11:57 PM Re: 120 for coon
Brad Heusterberg Offline
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Registered: 12/29/05
Posts: 72
Loc: Stevens Point, WI
if its legal for you to use a 160 do it. It is a much better trap for coons than a 120.

Brad

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#5873 - 02/21/06 04:28 AM Re: 120 for coon
Claude Offline
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Registered: 10/30/05
Posts: 102
Loc: Freeman Missouri
5" is max for Bodygrips in Missouri on Land...
I have heard of guys making special 120 boxes for coon but haven't seen em...
I think to be effective they have to be elevated a little, about where the coons head is when he is standing normally.

Also ya can get special 5" bodygrip (1/2" larger than 120) with 160 springs, they are a little pricey...


CTM 5X5 Body Grip - double spring

I think the 220 is about the perfect size. I make most sets with my 1.5 CSs and the Griz Getrz...

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#5874 - 02/21/06 06:19 AM Re: 120 for coon
Trapper Joe Offline
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Registered: 01/02/06
Posts: 41
Loc: New brunswick
A coon will reach into a 120 and get caught high on the leg which is very messy. Or it will pull the trap out of the box and maybe step in it with a hind foot while going in the box after the bait. I would never set a 120 for coon. The 160 size seems to give a perfect hold right behind the ears and the coon just rolls over with no signs of struggle.

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#5875 - 02/21/06 11:37 AM Re: 120 for coon
donwh Offline
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Registered: 09/05/03
Posts: 401
Loc: Missouri
Several guys I know use the 5x5 bodygripper above in boxes and take several coon. Triggers are bent in and up. Lights out for a coon that tries to enter.
good luck don

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#5876 - 02/21/06 12:59 PM Re: 120 for coon
Casey S Offline
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Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 2
Loc: Fulton, IL
There was an article in TPC about using 120's for fisher, I think it also mentioned using them for coon as well. I have read several posts about them. You need to bend the triggers back towards the bucket so that the hole is as open as possible. When they stick there heads in they push the trigger's up. I have read that you use the newspaper boxes. The bait is to far back for a reach in so they stick there heads in it, and they need to be elevated.

Casey S.

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#5877 - 02/21/06 04:57 PM Re: 120 for coon
scout Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 25
Loc: Northeast PA
Let me preface this post with if you can use a 160 or a 220 then do it. It is legal when set within the proper bounds to use a 160 here in PA. However a 120 will catch and kill any coon that sticks it's head in. One year I had all my 160's in use and tried the 120's. I did catch coon but noticed that I got a lot of refusal's. I was using the 120 in a dug in box opening (Outlaw set) as described by Tom Krause. Please buy his book if you want the set description. After watching this refusal I started changing my baiting methods. No more eels or fish for bait, I used only fresh marshmallows and PBJ sandwiches with as much bait outside of the box as inside. It did not eliminate refusals entirely but in my opinion increased the catch rate. The only problem was traps needed to be securely fastened as I started getting bears sticking their paws in and getting caught. The largest coon I have ever caught was in a 120 set and baited as described. Also, I set the trigger to the side and bent backwards, always check when doing this that the trigger does not contact the roof of the box before going off. I still set all my 160's first but will set the 120's if needed.

Scout

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#5878 - 02/21/06 07:43 PM Re: 120 for coon
GC_Trapper Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 11
Loc: Harrison County, Missouri
Thanks guys I think I will make some 120 bucket sets (newspaper box sets) for raccoons next year just to see how it gos. I am thinking about buying the 5x5s w/ the 160 springs, but I need to know if its worth the extra money. I mean if they aren't to much larger then won't they stick there head in them just as much as they will a 120? And if a 120 will kill them, should I just get them? And what do you guys use to elevate your 120s when setting them for raccoons? And about how high do you elevate them?

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#5879 - 02/21/06 08:55 PM Re: 120 for coon
Mike Conrad Offline
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Registered: 07/17/05
Posts: 253
Loc: Sheffield, Ohio
I used 120's for quite a few years. Last 2 years I have used the 5X5'S and the 1/2" difference is like night and day. Better catches, larger sized coons with less misses. The boxes I make are out of 1/2" scrap plywood with the opening just big enough to hold the trap. They are 16" deep and I place them the width of a 2x4 above the ground. I use the 2x4 across the opening and the 5x5 sits perfect clamping the top of the 2x4.

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#5880 - 02/21/06 09:09 PM Re: 120 for coon
ratsnatcher Offline
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Registered: 01/19/06
Posts: 40
Loc: Verona
i was wonderin what is a good brand of body grippers that are reliable enough to kill the animal that is in it quickly and humanly

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#5881 - 02/21/06 09:12 PM Re: 120 for coon
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 9886
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
Mike: Don't you also cut off the trigger wires leaving only the trigger bracket for a firing mechanism on these small traps? I can see where that technique would result in less refusals, and get the coons deeper into trap.

quest -- Hal
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#5882 - 02/21/06 09:55 PM Re: 120 for coon
bora Offline
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Registered: 09/28/04
Posts: 63
Loc: Gowrie, Ia
Well Hal brings up a good point. I don't cut off my trigger wires but, All my bucket sets have the trigger wires bent into the bucket. I learned my lesson years ago when I caught a coon by the leg in a bucket set. Trigger wires in top, bent into the bucket, equals a coon caught by the throat and body.
I use 220's but I would bet you would about eliminate foot catches without the trigger wires in a 120.

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#5883 - 02/21/06 10:03 PM Re: 120 for coon
Mike Conrad Offline
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Registered: 07/17/05
Posts: 253
Loc: Sheffield, Ohio
That is correct Hal. On the 120's I found less refusals with the animals caught further in the trap with the wires cut off flush with the bottom of the trigger housing. I had to set the housing all the way off to one side or the other.

With the 5x5 I found that the same setup worked too well. I had too many coons caught too far back, so I set the housing in the middle and it works great.

By the way, while I was still setting the housing off to the side on the 5x5 I caught two 8-10 lbs raccoons on the way OUT of the box!!! (On seperate occasions of course)

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#24114 - 09/21/16 10:44 AM Re: 120 for coon [Re: ratsnatcher]
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