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#6140 - 10/27/05 03:45 PM Trap Diggers
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
I checked my line this morning and had 6 traps for fox and coyote in different areas dug up.2 on urine posts and 4 on dirt holes.Everything has been dyed and waxed,traps are nightlatched and set for around 2lbs. pressure-fox and coyote in same areas so i figured 2 lbs, would be a happy medium for both,all traps were bedded with the pound down method and i did a 4 point check to make sure they were solid and didn't wobble,wax paper pan covers crumpled up to take the noise out.I wear gloves and hip boots on my line and store the traps in sealed rubbermaid containers in my truck before setting.Any ideas on what the heck is going on?

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#6141 - 10/27/05 04:26 PM Re: Trap Diggers
jwr Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 199
Loc: ark
Sounds like your gloves or wax is contaminated(SP) I would change gloves and be sure they are clean. I set barehanded myself and have a pair of gloves I slip on to lure.
I got into a deal like your's several years ago and after a week of problems I figured out my wooden sifter had something on it. Don't know what it was but I changed sifters and the problem went away.

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#6142 - 10/27/05 05:11 PM Re: Trap Diggers
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
I carry a dozen pairs of clean cotton gloves with me,the ground was wet when i set these traps and i had to change gloves often.As far as wax goes,it was 10lbs. of freshly opened wax that i used and i boiled my sifter and digging tools in the dye pot with the traps to clean them up.Thanks for your advice though.I covered all the bases and just can't figure it out,i've never had this many dug up in one night.It's got me scratchin my head!

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#6143 - 10/27/05 05:43 PM Re: Trap Diggers
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Registered: 07/22/00
Posts: 3679
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
Where did the wax paper come from?

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#6144 - 10/27/05 07:03 PM Re: Trap Diggers
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
wax paper is standard Reynolds wax paper from super market-been using it for years.

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#6145 - 10/27/05 07:49 PM Re: Trap Diggers
jwr Offline
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Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 199
Loc: ark
confused Could be just the luck of the draw.

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#6146 - 10/27/05 11:01 PM Re: Trap Diggers
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Registered: 02/27/05
Posts: 646
Loc: Monashee Mtns, British Columbi...
I think the "where did the wax paper come from?" concerns where it has been stored since you bought it. Wax paper is famous for soaking up oders, and I have had problems with it before myself.

RO smile

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#6147 - 10/28/05 01:01 AM Re: Trap Diggers
animalpest Offline
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Registered: 08/18/05
Posts: 197
Loc: Western Australia
How far apart were the traps? Could it have been one animal giving you trouble?
Have the gloves been in an area they could have picked up a scent?

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#6148 - 10/28/05 07:28 AM Re: Trap Diggers
Coy-Dog Offline
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Ransomville,N.Y
Wax and wax paper could be your problem that's why i don't like to wax them early in the season, but this year i went a head and waxed two doz. because of the wet weather.Night latches and all that pan tenion i don't spend alot of time on.The coon move a whole lot the night of oct 26 also so did your deer-- here anyways.I HAD AFEW DUG UP ALSO.--unsprung ,does that tell you something about pan tention.I do think the wet ground and the wax reacted to the spray the farmers use on the corn ,soybeans giving off a ordor. Watch your locations and see if thier is any change.

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#6149 - 10/28/05 01:06 PM Re: Trap Diggers
Freddybaer Offline
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Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 81
Loc: Marion Ohio
The fact that you have had both urinating posts and dirt holes dug up does point to something being contaminated. if you are sure your intial dying and waxing process is not suspect, I would backtrack in your mind the process you followed in storing your equiptment and using it. Your sifter, trowel, wax paper, traps,trap stakes where you got your dirt etc.
Another posibility which I ran into when I was younger was the fox and coyote in my area had been trapped by someone who used a certain brand of lure and had learned to associate it with a trap so they would immediately become suspicious and dig or nose the trap out. If you can't find a problem with your hardware keep this in mind if it makes sense in your particular situation

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#6150 - 10/28/05 07:04 PM Re: Trap Diggers
Ron Marsh Offline
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Registered: 01/03/05
Posts: 86
Loc: Oil City PA
Where the Rubbermaid containers new? To me the rubbermaid gives off a dibutal odor.

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#6151 - 10/28/05 07:23 PM Re: Trap Diggers
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
Thanks for all the helpful suggestions for starters.To elaborate a little further i used the wax paper fresh off the roll and cut it into pancovers and then stored them in ziplok bags.All of my traps were dyed and waxed 5 days before the season-i got a late start on that.When finished waxing they were hung from nails in a new fur shed i built a week before i dyed and waxed-no odor but new wood smell and its strictly a fur shed-no other foreign odor i know of.I store my gloves in a clean plastic bag in my truck and take out fresh ones as needed.On the upside i ran my line again this morning and had coons of all things at my coyote urine post sets-4 to be exact.Its shaping up to be a weird season of firsts for me-never caught a coon at a urine post set until today.Thanks again for all the helpful posts.

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#6152 - 10/29/05 07:10 AM Re: Trap Diggers
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smile smile

Diggers? How about curious coons. They'll dig in fresh dirt just for the heck of it. Skunks too.

And, it looks like everybody jumped right on the band wagon here… "Oh, oh, oh, something has to be contaminated."

Just because you made the sets for fox and coyotes, doesn't mean there were fox and coyotes digging up your traps, and though it is often and indicator, it doesn't necessarily mean your equipment is contaminated.

Coons. smile smile smile

smile -- Hal
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#6153 - 10/29/05 09:07 AM Re: Trap Diggers
Paul Fox Offline
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Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 281
Loc: Deckerville mi.
I agree with Hal.I think it was most likely a coon or skunk.Yesterday I got a real nice red fox,and i made my set bare-handed.I wouldn't be too concerned with "foreign" scent.Good luck,Paul smile

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#6154 - 10/29/05 05:36 PM Re: Trap Diggers
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
I think i'm going to give it a little more time before i do anything drastic.I've got 35 sets in the ground with 60 more waiting to be planted.I've been over every step from boiling pan to stickin them in the ground and just can't find anything that i may have screwed up that i know of.Only one dug up and one snap today-no fur.Before i pull up the lot of them and reclean and wax everything i'm going to see what happens the next few days.I may write off a few to coons diggin around but i've seen alot of fox and yote tracks around the dug up sets.Trappin is so much fun!LOL

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#6155 - 10/29/05 07:49 PM Re: Trap Diggers
Coy-Dog Offline
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Ransomville,N.Y
Hey Partner, slow down the fur ain'tthat good anyways not here anyways.Maybe i'am wrong but iget the feeling you have to lay a lot of iron down to catch a lot of fur.I would rather have ten good sets then twenty bad ones.Watch so you don't over trap yourself,i've done it and so have most of us at one time or another. Depending on population i always look on the third night for acatch in this part of the country, trapping pressure can get real heavy around here that will slow things downfor the fox and coyote trapper also coyote hunting has been open for amonth.

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#6156 - 11/01/05 08:35 PM Re: Trap Diggers
trap jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
I agree with Hal's post. I had two traps, 6 feet apart dug up yesterday. The tracks in the dirt were clearly not a fox. This morning I caught my culprit after applying a little stategy, A nice 18 pound coon.

My line has been doing very well but where I have sets located in cut corn fields I have been getting some dugout by coons. One by one I'm picking them off and eliminating my problem.

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#6157 - 11/02/05 05:40 PM Re: Trap Diggers
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
I have 1000 acres on 3 seperate farms to cover this season,i don't think 100 sets is too many for an area this large.I happen to have a month off right now for vacation time-unfortunately i had to take it now-no choice in the matter.So,i run my trapline now or not at all this season.I have 57 sets out right now and i think all of them are in good locations and are good well made sets.As of today i got 2 coons,3 rabbits,1 lost trap to a coon,3 snapped traps-no hair in them,2 chipmunks.Not to mention 15 dig ups in far apart areas,and a whole bunch of footprints from fox and coyote all around some of the traps that haven't been dug up-they're just not stepping on the pans but everywhere else,and yes i use guide sticks.Oh,and i almost forgot-a gigantic headache!I am either in an area with the worlds luckiest animals or i have a huge problem that i can't figure out.

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#6158 - 11/03/05 11:41 AM Re: Trap Diggers
skipper Offline
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Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 676
Loc: .Manheim Pennslvania
one year ago I had the same problem I stopped and went throigh my motions. and found my problem after lureing I inadverently grabbed the plastic handle on my plastic bucket after switching buckets. the problem was gone but I had plenty of wised up critters. Also sounds like you could use some more pan tention. I have been where you it is extreamly exhasperating. good luck.

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#6159 - 11/03/05 06:14 PM Re: Trap Diggers
trap jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
I snagged another one of my diggers this morning, a nice female coon, caught by a back foot catch. Now I do have a digger fox on one of my new farms. I know this one is a digger fox because I identified his tracks. He's been coming back for three days now and I'm closing in on him. I'll be adding him to the stretcher soon but I know that this is not an equipment problem because I'm nailing the reds consistantly every day.

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#6160 - 11/04/05 03:08 PM Re: Trap Diggers
chuckieo Offline
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Registered: 11/03/05
Posts: 167
Loc: Stoneboro, Pennsylvania
I agree with everyone that you have an odor problem on your equipment. Always be careful of cross-contamination. By this I mean if you get lure or smelly bait on your gloves it is transfered to every trap you handle. If you are pushing your bait in the dirthole with the tip of your trowel you will contaminate every trap bed you dig up after that.If your sifter is contaminated that will mess you up. If there is blood or foreign odors on your digging tools you will transfer the smell to every set you make. Disinfect your equipment by boiling in clean water.Always rub your gloves off away from your sets in clean creek water or dirt. Get several pairs of gloves and change frequently when you think there may be a smell on them. Have spare equipment handy.I quit waxing my traps 30 years ago because the wax holds odors.Good Luck

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#6161 - 11/04/05 03:31 PM Re: Trap Diggers
trap jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
Chuckieo, I was with you untill the part about waxing but we won't go there. I use a totally seperate set of equipment for remakes and a seperate set for new sets. Keeps contamination problems almost non-existent.

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#6162 - 11/04/05 04:42 PM Re: Trap Diggers
chuckieo Offline
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Registered: 11/03/05
Posts: 167
Loc: Stoneboro, Pennsylvania
Trap jaw, everyone has their own ways. This has worked for me. I have a feeling a lot of people won't agree about what I said about waxing, and you're right we won't go there. It's a new chapter
Good Luck, chuckieo

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#6163 - 11/05/05 04:58 PM Re: Trap Diggers
skinner69 Offline
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Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 152
Loc: stillwater,new york
Thanks to all for all your help and suggestions.I'm not sure what my problem was all this time but i left the traps in their beds instead of pulling them and recleaning everything and things are finally starting to happen.Fox,coyote,coon, and bobcats the last few days seem to be stepping in the same traps that were dug up last week.Either the traps were contaminated when they went in the ground and the smell wore off or i was just very unlucky that entire week.Only thing i done different After i started having troubles was to throw some pine boughs in my trap storage containers to try and cover up any smells that may have been on the traps.Don't know if that helped or not but i'm connecting now.

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#6164 - 11/06/05 07:21 AM Re: Trap Diggers
Hal Online   content
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Registered: 07/17/00
Posts: 10032
Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
Gee whiz.

Go back to the top and read this whole thing again.

You haven’t done anything different to these traps, or to your methods, but now you're not having traps dug up and you are catching critters. Right after you had your traps dug up you caught some coons, then the digging stopped. Is this really so hard to figure out???

How do all you contamination theorists explain this? Do you want it to be contamination sooooo badly that you see no other alternatives??? Are there too many trees in your way for you to see the forest?

My goodness!

:rolleyes: -- Hal
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#6165 - 11/06/05 10:51 AM Re: Trap Diggers
chuckieo Offline
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Registered: 11/03/05
Posts: 167
Loc: Stoneboro, Pennsylvania
Skinner, glad to see you are out of the rut. Hal, I agree. Remember the old adage, "Tis better to be safe than sorry."

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#6166 - 11/06/05 12:32 PM Re: Trap Diggers
trap jaw Offline
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Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 430
Loc: Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania
Hal, I'm right with ya man. If a guy does his trap prep correctly, there is no reason to question it at the first sign of a digger. I've taken 4 very large coons on the farm I first had some diggin going on, now the diggin's stopped.

Now, I'll quickley share a story on the flip side of this. Obviously there are going to be times when we will encounter a digger fox. I encounter this when I move into a new area that was trapped previously by a trapper who educated the fox in that area. For a couple days I had a few sets dug up on a particular farm and by the tracks in the dirt, I was quite certain it was a fox. Yesterday I caught a huge male red fox at a set that I simply repositioned the trap to where the fox was standing while he was digging me out. I've caught 2 such diggers this year but I will agree that in most cases it's a coon.

Now one more thought. At another farm I had a set dug up two days in a row. The tracks in the dirt were very small and I really had no idea what I was dealing with. On the third day I caught a grounhog at the set. Hmmmm, I don't know? Anything's possible.

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#6167 - 11/07/05 08:46 AM Re: Trap Diggers
mooch Offline
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Registered: 11/06/05
Posts: 27
Loc: sullivan co. Indiana
i don't know much but i do read, some. i think that if i had a digger in any set that i would reset and then make a set close by for coons to just make sure!!!!!! had that hppen to me and this worked!

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#21755 - 12/13/14 11:39 AM Re: Trap Diggers [Re: skinner69]
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