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#6330 - 06/25/09 09:18 PM Sufficent drowning weight
trapr4life Offline
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Registered: 04/21/09
Posts: 8
Loc: Michigan
I have a few creeks that are great for coons, but the bottom is too hard to drive a drownig steak and was wondering how much weight i would need to drown a coon? I was thinking about pouring some concrete into old milk jugs. Do you think that one would be enough to do the job?

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#6331 - 06/26/09 07:37 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
haf2sell Offline
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Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 468
Loc: SW Michigan
Should. Thats a lot of work to make, and haul though IMHO. Feedsack, or sandbag with gravel or rock gathered on-site has worked for me in those cases. Cinderblock too if I didn't need to carry very far.

There was a good discussion about drowners previously. Not sure if it's in the archives, or current.

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#6332 - 06/26/09 08:15 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
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Posts: 3688
Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
Well it depends on what size of "jug" your referring to and other things.

Lets look a a gallon jug. There are ~7.5 gal. in a cubic foot. A cubic foot of concrete weighs ~150 lbs. So a gallon of concrete is ~20 lbs.(Submerged in water you will have an effective weight of ~12 lbs).

20 lbs can certainly be adequate for a drowning rig targeted at raccoon. If the conditions are right.

Now take a look at 1) the shape of your weight and 2) the bottom where you set will be made.

Poured into a milk jug you have a shape that will be easily moved. Add a hard bottom and you are going to see a lot of coon sitting on the bank.

Better take another look at this before you go to the trouble and expense.

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#6333 - 06/26/09 11:40 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
haf2sell Offline
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Registered: 01/17/08
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Loc: SW Michigan
Something I forgot to type that Rics post reminded me of: one can insert spikes, or rod in the side of the jug while the concrete is still soft. Will make a grapple of sorts.

Regards,

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#6334 - 06/26/09 03:08 PM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
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if you have access to Charles Dobbins mink and muskrat trapping on small streams. He delt with this problem by running a sapling into the bank and running a drowner wire out to the end of the sapling from the bank the sapling is perpendicular to the bank . I have tried it in your situation and it works. and no heavy weight to carry.

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#6335 - 06/27/09 08:51 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
trapr4life Offline
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Registered: 04/21/09
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Loc: Michigan
Thanks to everyone for the advice! I only ask because i just bought a new 10ft flatbottom boat and the weight wont be a problem to carry anymore and everybody has access to milk jugs. Was just looking for something easy to throw over the edge of the boat and heavy enuff to drown the coon!

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#6336 - 06/27/09 09:41 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
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"the weight won't be a problem".OK. Myself I use the method Skipper mentioned,a lot of the time. A couple pounds of wire/cable vs anything heavy enough to do the job. Ponder on that a bit.

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#6337 - 06/27/09 10:19 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
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Registered: 07/22/03
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To add to what Ric wrote:

A boat is a boat and stuff happens. The less cable and weights you have to wrap around you in a mishap, the better things are.

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#6338 - 06/27/09 12:38 PM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
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Registered: 01/17/08
Posts: 468
Loc: SW Michigan
Adding to what Ric & Musher posted:
Check the weight rating on your boats BIA/Mfg./USCG plate. I suspect it won't take long (or much) to meet or exceed "suggested", and safe levels w/ a 10' craft. frown My 12’ narrow (and shallow) John I’ve painted over, but seem to recall 350-375#- Occupants, motor & gear; 14’ wide John is rated for 560#; 14’ Mod. V, 900#. As you can see, one can get “uncomfortable” real fast!

Waterfowling and trapping, with the associated weather/gear, will test any small boats seaworthiness to the max. No critter is worth the risk of life or limb (IMO). From a safety standpoint, please plan & act accordingly.

Regards,

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#6339 - 06/27/09 08:09 PM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
arrowhead Offline
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Registered: 01/15/09
Posts: 73
Loc: north carolina
Personaly I think a milk jug filled with concrete weighing 20 pounds is plenty of weight to drown a racoon . I dont think a coon can drag a 20 pound weight back to shallow water no matter how hard the bottom! If the bottom is that hard the coon cant get traction anyway.

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#6340 - 06/27/09 08:23 PM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
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Also I weighed a cinder block out of water then weighed it completely submerged and it weighed the same, go figure!

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#6341 - 06/28/09 06:19 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
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Posts: 3688
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And if you will read more carefully you may note that....
I have no problem with the weight. The configuration of the weight and the structure of the bottom have a great deal to do with what will and will not work.

Just to clear things up a bit. I know he will have problems with the equipment and conditions as described. You THINK he won't. It is very much in your best interest not to advocate a technique unless you have the experience to back it up.

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#6342 - 06/28/09 09:24 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
trapr4life Offline
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Registered: 04/21/09
Posts: 8
Loc: Michigan
I hear ya ric. Roger that on enuff weight. My brother does concrete for a living and i have access to all the cut off rebar,(usually round 12"). I will just make an "x" at the bottom of the jug and it will be a combo grapple/weight. Im positive that will work. Im sure the jug alone would work if i had a bigger creek/river, to take the coon way out, but my ditches are pretty narrow! Thanks for the tip!

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#6343 - 06/28/09 11:39 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight
Hal Offline
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Registered: 07/17/00
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Loc: Blue Creek, Ohio, USA
"Also I weighed a cinder block out of water then weighed it completely submerged and it weighed the same, go figure!"

I'd like to know how you accomplished that. I'm exceedingly curious as to how you defeated the law of buoyancy. Briefly, the law of buoyancy says that any object wholly or partially submerged in a fluid is buoyed (pushed in a direction opposite the attraction of gravity) by a force equal to the weight of fluid it displaces. That's why boats float. And that's why giant oil takers can be made out of ferro-cement (reinforced concrete in layman's terms). That's right, concrete boats.

Here is a picture of a 1 gallon paint can, filled completely full of concrete. Suspended in the air, it weighs approximately 20 pounds.



Here is the same can, completely submerged in water. The scale reads approximately 11 pounds.



The can and concrete displace about 1 gallon of water. Water weighs about 8.3 lbs per gallon. 20 - 8.3 = 11.7 (Discrepancies: The can is actually a little over a gallon in external size. When filled with one gallon of paint, the paint is 1/4 to 1/2 inch from the top of the can. When I filled it with concrete, I went all the way to the top, which makes the volume of concrete a little more than a gallon.)

So, once again, anything you use for an anchor is going to be lightened by the volume of water is displaces.

As for 20 pound weight holding coons in any situation I've had them drag full size concrete blocks back to the bank, in shallow water on a hard bottom. And those weigh 35 pounds. That said, a 20 pound weight will do in most situations.

The milk jug idea comes up a lot because, as you said, milk jugs are handy. But a milk jug has a couple things a couple things against it. For one the plastic is slick, and will slide easily. And the jugs are rounded and tapered at the top. Not conducive to getting a good grip. You can add "grapple" material to the jugs, but at some point, your weights get clumsy to carry around.

I like the paint can. You can keep the handle on the can, but don't rely on it for a fastening. I buried a few links of chain in the center of the can for a fastening point. By putting the fastening there, the can tends to "upset" when it is pulled on, and the lip of the can digs into the mud even harder.



Hal
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#27022 - 01/07/20 11:00 AM Re: Sufficent drowning weight [Re: trapr4life]
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