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#6663 - 03/09/06 01:00 PM Snare Lock for Beaver
Dktfireman Offline
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What type of lock do you use for snaring beaver?
Also would you a different one for live catching them for relocation. Thanks smile

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#6664 - 03/09/06 02:54 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Cam or slim locks both work well on beaver for killing. You need a fully relaxing lock for live catch.

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#6665 - 03/09/06 03:07 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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I use cam locks. They are just fine for capturing beaver alive, as most of my snared beaver are quite alive when I get to them. However, I do not target a neck catch on beaver, and I avoid entanglement. smile

What is a "fully relaxing" lock???

confused -- Hal
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#6666 - 03/09/06 06:40 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Registered: 07/22/00
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Loc: Wellington,OH=USA
I use cam-locks.From time to time I experiment with other types to see if I'm missing anything,so far I'm not

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#6667 - 03/09/06 07:18 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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"For relocation"? We cannot release them in my state w/o a stocking permit, and you ain't-a-gonna-git-one for beaver from our DNR. Also, we have to have written permission to release them on public or private (landowners' permission) land. No one is going to give you permission, because no one wants them on their land.

I'll be the first to say that the law is not the same from state, or in all states. However, the above is reasonably common to a number of states. What is the law in New Hampshire?

From time to time we get asked to do some ADC beaver work, and the landowner(s) don't want the beaver killed. They want us to take them (the beaver that is, but sometimes I think it ought to be the landowner) out in the woods and turn them loose. We cannot do that, and the fact that we are legally prohibited from doing it, is a simple explanation to the landowners.

We have lost some work because we won't take the beavers down to the nearest water, and release them. But we loose very little, as most folks understand that we would be in violation if we did.

Adios,
45/70,
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#6668 - 03/09/06 09:05 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Loc: New Hampshire
laugh LOL, when I said relocate them, it was just to get an idea on the least damaging lock to the hide on a live beaver. I am not planning on relocating them. My mistake, sorry. I have an idea to run by you guys. If I only have 2' of water to work with, drowning will not work (w/o brake rotors). I plan on using a slide cable to move them out to where there is no entanglement so they can swim around and not damage themselves. I will add a extension to the slide where it hooks on to the bag of rocks to stop them short of the bag itself, that way they cannot get leverage on the bag to move it as well. Maybe I am over thinking the whole thing? Do you think I need to put the extension cable on the slide wire? what do you think of the idea? quest

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#6669 - 03/10/06 05:58 AM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Registered: 02/26/03
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I use riechart locks myself,they are easier on fur than others I have tried.

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#6670 - 03/10/06 07:49 AM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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I have found the cam lock to be the least damaging on fur.

smile -- Hal
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#6671 - 03/10/06 03:39 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Being the devils advocate here........do you care to aproximate the numbers used for your comparison ? laugh

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#6672 - 03/10/06 04:39 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Nope. I tried both. Found the cam lock did less damage. And quit using the Riechart.

But... I will be honest with you here. The snares I was using were snares Byron Riechart himself was making and selling. He used a coiled wire ferrule. That style ferrule makes the end of the cable flare, out and it becomes a steel burr. That had a lot to do with things getting tangled up in the fur.

And you know what the truth is... the best way to reduce fur damage is don't snare them in the first place. smile smile smile


smile -- Hal
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#6673 - 03/10/06 07:10 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Quote:
And you know what the truth is... the best way to reduce fur damage is don't snare them in the first place.
Yes, you are correct but wrong in the same statement. IMO

You yourself have already acknowledged that you will not pick up a snare unless its the last choice available. How can you compare a tool you use so infrequently to someone who picks up a snare first ?

That question is a good one to answer ....

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#6674 - 03/10/06 08:06 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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And yes, I market as much or more than you do........

I gotta idea to answer this question on this thread........it will take a year tho to answer unbiased ....if your game ??

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#6675 - 03/10/06 09:04 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
Trapper Joe Offline
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Registered: 01/02/06
Posts: 41
Loc: New brunswick
I don't snare beaver either because I do not like that snare mark on the leather. Sometimes you are OK with a neck catch or with only one foot through the snare, but a lot of times they get both front feet through.

Some say if it is only a red mark, instead of a white mark, it won't be downgraded, but I am not so sure.

Last fall I caught a 72 inch beaver with a bad snare scar all the way around it. It had to have been in a snare years ago and somehow got out of it.

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#6676 - 03/11/06 01:04 AM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Registered: 12/30/05
Posts: 16
Loc: dawson springs, ky
In regard to Hal's statement about the snares flaring out at the end of the ferrule and tangling in the fur. A quick fix for this is to take a pair of diagonal cutters grind the chamfer off the back of them. This allows the cutter to be flush right against the ferrule. Snap-on makes a pair of cutters that are flush cutting. I know this from working on aircraft engines and trimming the lockwire on bolts. I am by no means an expert on snares, or anything else for that matter.

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#6677 - 03/11/06 09:30 AM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Buzzard: It would be considerably easier to carry on a debate with you, if your arguments were less nebulous.

Any sort of comparative testing would be welcome.

smile -- Hal
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#6678 - 03/11/06 05:46 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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It would help Hal if you talked in a language I could understand........whatever you just wrote went way over my head, I cannot debate anyone speaking in a different language in which I speak...........sorry sir !

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#6679 - 03/11/06 06:03 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Loc: North Carolina
Furthermore,

disregarding pelt damage to a secondary point in fact.........why would you think more live market coyote snaresmen utilize the riechart lock for their snare lock ? Common sense would prevail here as a more relaxing lock would help keep the coyote alive so they could gain in their venture . I cannot believe a snare lock that created more pelt damage would be a "chosen " lock to keep the animal alive.

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#6680 - 03/11/06 06:54 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver
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Loc: Monashee Mtns, British Columbi...
nebulous:

1. Cloudy, misty, or hazy.
2. Lacking definite form or limits; vague: nebulous assurances of future cooperation.
3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a nebula.

Had to go to the dictionary myself! wink

Buzzard, can you post a pic or describe this "Riechart" lock. Don't beleive I have ever seen one.

RO smile

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#25366 - 10/17/17 12:22 PM Re: Snare Lock for Beaver [Re: Dktfireman]
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Dated for search.

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