I should have been clearer...I am by no-means putting down the pans. I use them on several traps myself...but, I was thinking (-a dangerous thing-)that if one can install new pans, then one is familiar with the pan bolt and it's effect on tension...assumtions...anyhow, I stand by my choice of using stock pans on bridger traps, especially #3's...#2's are a little different and are a little harder to tune-watch the file position and angle if adding a nite latch type engagment system..jmo...Good luck w/your traps, if you have any questions pm me if you like...